NUMEROLOGY SENS OR NON SENS ?

by frenchbabyface 16 Replies latest jw friends

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  frenchbabyface

  Rem ? AlanF ? Valis ? Anyone? Even though it is to say I’m wrong (but Why ?) or just give me your impression about what I'm pointing on this matter (or instinct … instinct can be very effective) about lots of stuff

  It took me 2 hours to write it … is it clear enough? I know that it is already hard to discuss the matter in French … so

  I might PM you instead of asking here? You probably forget about it … I don’t know … maybe I should give up about get a chance to find someone here to discuss the matter … I'll try anyway till sunday night.
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  rem

  Corinne,

  I haven't read about the numerology that associates words to numbers before. I think that is what you are saying (e.g. 6=love/choice, 9=full-whole-everybody, 18=illusions/troubles).

  These number associations seem pretty arbitrary to me. Is there any explanation as to why certain numbers have certain words associated to them? Not just any explanation, but a logical one?

  To me, this is complete nonsense. The reason it seems to work is chance and psychology.

  Also, think about this. Numerology only seems to work in base 10. Let's take your example before in binary:

  666 = 6+6+6 = 18 =1+8 = 9 in binary is:

  1010011010 = 1 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 1 + 0 + 1 + 0 = 5 (decimal) or 101 (binary) = 1 + 0 + 1 = 2 (decimal) or 10 (binary) = 1 + 0 = 1

  or Hex:

  29A = 2 + 9 + A = 15 = 1 + 5 = 6

  or:

  29A = 2 + 9 + A (10 [decimal] = 1 + 0 = 1) = C (12 [decimal] = 1 + 2 = 3)

  or:

  29A = 2 + 9 + A (1010 [binary] = 1 + 0 + 1 + 0 = 2) = D (1101 [binary] = 1 + 1 + 0 + 1 = 3 (11 [binary] = 1 + 1 = 2 (10 [binary] = 1 + 0 = 1)))

  etc...

  There are many more ways to calculate this number even in the same base numbering system.

  As you may or may not know, the choice of the base numbering system we use is completely arbitrary. We can add and count in any system. We are just used to base 10, but other cultures have used other base numbering systems in the past as well. Why would something that is tied to the very foundation of our being be dependent upon something as arbitrary as using a specific base numbering system? A much more interesting system would be based on prime numbers, which are prime in any base - not just in base 10.

  On rule of logic is that if something is not falsifiable (can't be proven wrong), then it is useless and probably wrong. Since I can come up with different answers the same numbers in different counting bases, this means that each number can have various interpretations. Since the interpretation is so subjective, there really is no way to falsify the theory. Thus it is not logical.

  Some good books to read (not sure if they are translated in French):

  Demon Haunted World, by Carl Sagan
  Pseudoscience and the Paranormal, by Terrence Hines
  Why People Believe Weird Things, by Micheal Shermer
  How to Think About Weird Things, by Schick

  rem
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  frenchbabyface

  REM : There are many more ways to calculate this number even in the same base numbering system. As you may or may not know, the choice of the base numbering system we use is completely arbitrary. We can add and count in any system.

  Ok … I agree with the fact that a lot of numbering systems we use is completely arbitrary.

  To go further on my questioning, I thank you that you gave me the example of one of (binary) because, it will help me to tell you why I’m interested in that (numerology), and to not scared out people who don’t know yet about the examples you gave on the binary codes (1=yes/ 0=No) have been made for computing system (mechanic), I mean it is dedicated to give a memory to a machine (very logical and efficient system to store with a minimum of memory because it only use 2 codes 1 and 0 ) see (A), nothing to do with chemistry, or mathematics, but only mechanic memory

  (A) The computing binary in saying yes or no. It answers to each question that an application (made for with a kind of translator) can ask. It is based on a successions of yes and no in a sequence of dedicated bits in a repeated process to reach/delete/store information - for the process and / or / to get the response of the process for a mechanic system. Everybody knows how it works, or can get informed very quickly about that because nothing is mystic in that. Basically once you’ve understand “why” it works you don’t need to learn how to get a A a B or a C or …whatever with this system, because it’s just memory (and the machine will make it faster than us cause it’s made for the machine, as human we don’t need binary because it doesn’t talk to us it talk to the machine. We’ll never talk binary ourselves why because in fact it a langage (like English and French based on to numbers) How comes ? Because :

  As your example show: 1010011010 = 1 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 1 + 0 + 1 + 0 = 5 (decimal)
  only if the developer decided it will be a 5 (in fact) why :

  Basically in computing it depend on were are the 1 and the 0 in the sequence of bits and not how much 1 it have in it (otherwise you could only get 8 possibilities on 8 bits for example) this result is always a stated memory (AND IT’S IMPORTANT IN THE REASONING) because :

  It could have been anything the developer decided it to be, even different at different step of the process in order to react with the application (in fact the translator for the application). This is not even logical finally it’s only mechanic memory – not logical but efficient in fact for those who are involved in the development (AND THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW About NUMEROLOGY)

  So that was good to get into it to answer “why” and to understand on what is based my questions about that

  Now I guess I will have to try to state on the other numbering system who does exist “to answer WHY they have been made” … and that’s also my question about numerology because 18 will always mean 18 in numerology troubles because 1+8 = 9 too much and somehow its logical just like the entire example about 666 (esoteric but logical) And Who stated on THAT ???? …

  I mean that the chemistry of the numerology says more than YES and NO. And numerology is base on 9 not 10 = just because of that : 0 means START then you began to count again 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/9 start again. Same base back to 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/9 or further 1(0) ten / 2(0) twenty / 3(0) thirty / 4(0) etc … each time you start on another base next level (it means something else = the base + the add) who also mean something (logical and effective added one to the other) just as the primal example :

  666 = 6+6+6 = 18 =1+8 = 9 and when you put it on word it gives you that :

  1) 666 = 6 (love/choice/…) + 6(l/c/…) + 6(l/c/…) = 18 (illusion / troubles) = 9 (full-whole-everybody …)

  2) too much different kind of love ( for example 3*6 : human/ money/ power) means 18 troubles and illusions for everybody (1+8=9)
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  AlanF

  Hi Frenchbabyface,

  I'd like to comment, but I can't until you tell me what "when you put it on word" means. I have no idea what you're talking about.

  AlanF
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  frenchbabyface

  Sorry in reading me back I'm messed up here : (otherwise you could only get 8 possibilities on 8 bits for example) dont remember how much but it's not Important ... (I've stated this langage)

  I've forgot to thank you Rem that really helped me give some explanation about WHY I STIK on IT. And as I can you've got knowlegdes on differents languages, maybe you can give me some explanations about others numbering systems (but non mechanic) that I don't about, if you know about them.

  AlanF ... If this example 666 doesn't talk to you, I guess I will have to take some EXAMPLES (in different matters, to make sure that I won't waste your time) Give me a little time to think about how I'm gonna try to express myself on this to be clear enough. about my question WHO BUILT this Language in fact ... (to come back to rem's binary example)

  Thanks for answering anyone ...
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  rem

  As your example show: 1010011010 = 1 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 1 + 0 + 1 + 0 = 5 (decimal)
  only if the developer decided it will be a 5 (in fact) why :

  No, this is not decided by the developer. The number 666 is always 1010011010 in binary. Of course it can be represented in different ways (1 can equal voltage difference, 0 can equal same voltage, or 1's can be smiley faces and 0's can be dashes, the number can even be written right-to-left or be encrypted) but the numbers and placeholders are always the same. It's just like in decimal. The number 666 is always 666 in decimal - there is no other rendering (baring fractions and repeating decimals).

  So my question would be what are the binary and hexadecimal equalents to the decimal numbers you are using? If 9=full/whole/everybody, then what does that map to in different base systems? If it doesn't map, then why would you think there is anything mystical about it?

  Now I guess I will have to try to state on the other numbering system who does exist “to answer WHY they have been made” …

  They have always existed as long as there have been numbers. Numbering systems are just arbitrary ways of representing numbers. How does numerology work with Roman Numerals?

  and that’s also my question about numerology because 18 will always mean 18 in numerology troubles because 1+8 = 9 too much and somehow its logical just like the entire example about 666 (esoteric but logical) And Who stated on THAT ???? …

  But 18 = 12 in hexadecimal. How does that work? The reason you can't just blow off this question is because you are using numerology to add the place holders together in a completely arbitrary manner. 18 in decimal = 1 (tens) + 8 (ones) = 9. The number 18 is also 12 in hexadecimal which is 1 (16's) + 2 (ones) = 3. It's also 10010 in binary which is 1 (16's) + 0 (8's) + 0 (4's) + 1 (2's) + 0 (ones) = 2 in decimal or 10 in binary. What does this mean in numerology? It has to mean something, otherwise the whole system is arbitrary and useless.

  666 = 6+6+6 = 18 =1+8 = 9 and when you put it on word it gives you that :

  1) 666 = 6 (love/choice/…) + 6(l/c/…) + 6(l/c/…) = 18 (illusion / troubles) = 9 (full-whole-everybody …)

  2) too much different kind of love ( for example 3*6 : human/ money/ power) means 18 troubles and illusions for everybody (1+8=9)

  I don't understand why you find this amazing. It doesn't even make sense. Can you use a real world example of why you think this works? Does it work off your birthday or something?

  rem
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  frenchbabyface

  Don’t take it personally REM … I mean BASICALLY YOU ARE A PRO IN SOME KINDS OF LANGAGES, Means somehow VERY LOGICAL able to understand THAT A NUMBERING SYSTEMS have been built and how it does respond to needs.

  That why I aware you why I need specialist and none specialist at all

  Why do you stick on language that we know that they have made for (mechanic memory for different kind of translators) … You are probably in the computing field … I mean LOGIC YES BUT IN MECHANIC for sure, but you’ve probably have some intuitions too as a human … I’m talking about Chemistry … and it talks to my instinct, intuition (psychology maybe ??? that’s also the question and that’s what you tend to say … I may agree with you one day about that – but not yet – because I ain’t got the answers I need to.

  I’ve messed the point, to be clear about when I’ve said that will never talk binary means that to say: A we never gonna say 01000100 or to say B 10001011 (false examples cause I don’t know myself about it but the example talks by itself – only a machine can deal with but also the engineer (He needs IT – means that he is the chemist in some ways, he knows how it works and how to deal with) And that’s what I want to know about numerology.

  Roman numbering also have been built to respond to a need (of course) But for example I don’t feel that Roman system was very efficient … AT ALL (but I guess it was a statement at this period of time)

  I mean maybe our decimal (1-9 then back to start next level) numbering is more than a numbering system (VERY LOGICAL) that’s why it have been found one day … (and maybe it was understood before without any representation ???)

  But I don’t want to waste your time … I’m going to take mine to make that sure ! … And try to make myself more clear … and I’ll PM you when I’ll post. So that you won’t have to check to know if I’ve posted it or not.

  ALANF, REM … hope will stay in touchbut no obligation here about that … I mean Every one has his own interest.

  by now ... best wishes too all of you ...