What went WRONG with the Great Pyramid teachings of Isaac Newton, Piazzi Smyth, Pastor C.T. Russel

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  • Harry
    Harry

    Part of a multi-structure pagan funerary site for a government ruler opposed to Jehovah.

    Good point betterdaze

    Ancient Egyptian worship had absolutely nothing to do with the ancient Israelite/Hebrew worship practices.

    Its surprising that people like C T Russell and others didn't completely accept that.

    True it was a monumental structure built in the ancient era but I guess its greatness had to have a connection to the greatest and almighty of gods spoken about in the bible, in reality it didn't .

  • Terry
    Terry

    As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), there is zero archaeological or paleontological evidence of the
    Jews as Slaves scenario in Egypt.
    Wiki page:

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    That Wiki article is correct, Israeli Archaeologists were sent to find proof of of Israel and the Exodus story, they honestly and correctly reported back they could find No Evidence for it !

    And as the Article hints at, Israel as a group comes much later in history than the Patriarchs and the Moses stories are set. The "History" we read in the Bible was invented by returnees after the Babylonian exile to give a boost to Nationhood for those that now occupied the land, they wanted a narrative about their history as a Nation that would justify their position. That same narrative is being falsely used by Israel today, and falsely believed by gullible and ignorant politicians in the Unite States and elsewhere. The whole Bible is really 90% or more a work of Fiction.

    This explains a lot !


  • Terry
    Terry

    I used to work as a Bookseller at Half Price Books & Music for 5 years in the Religion & Philosophy sections.
    I shelved that book many times and have read most of it.
    As far as I know, only apologists find fault with Finklestein and his books.
    Tamperers with history have a lot to gain and Israel has paid the price over and over again for their claims.

  • Harry
    Harry

    Maybe the people who wrote the story about YHWH creating a monument for the prophetic occurrences toward mankind, was taken from the Egyptians for the Israelites did have an off and on again associated alliance with Egypt , a form of plagiarism perhaps ?

    From Wiki ......

    • Pyramidology. Following views first taught by Christian writers such as John Taylor, Charles Piazzi Smyth and Joseph Seiss, Russell believed that the Great Pyramid of Giza was built by the Hebrews (associated to the Hyksos) under God's direction, but to be understood only in our day. He adopted and used Seiss's phrase, referring to it as "the Bible in stone". He believed that certain biblical texts, including Isaiah 19:19–20 and others, prophesied a future understanding of the Great Pyramid. He believed that the various ascending and descending passages represented the fall of man, the provision of the Mosaic Law, the death of Christ, the exultation of the saints in heaven, etc. Calculations were made using the pattern of an inch per year. Dates such as 1874, 1914, and 1918 were purported to have been found through the study of this monument.[53]
  • Harry
    Harry
    Isaiah 19:19–22

    19 In that day there will be an zaltar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a apillar to the Lord at its border. 20 aIt will be a sign and a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt. When they cry to the Lord because of oppressors, bhe will send them a savior and defender, and deliver them. 21 cAnd the Lord will make himself known to the Egyptians, and the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day dand worship with sacrifice and offering, and they will make vows to the Lord and perform them. 22 eAnd the Lord will strike Egypt, striking and healing, and they will return to the Lord, and he will listen to their pleas for mercy and heal them.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), there is zero archaeological or paleontological evidence of the
    Jews as Slaves scenario in Egypt
    - I don't know if Jews were enslaved in Egypt or not but I read that the Egyptian Pyramids were built by Egyptians as paid labor. There are apparently records written in hieratic text that are direct evidence for this.

  • Harry
    Harry

    There is evidence that the Egyptians took slaves from wars they had with neighboring civilizations.

    Slavery was common practice in many ancient civilizations, including the Israelites/Hebrews .

    More info from Wiki ....

    Chattel slavery[edit]

    The Chattel slaves were mostly captives of war and were brought over to different cities and countries to be sold as slaves. All captives, including civilians not a part of the military forces, become a royal resource. The pharaoh would then resettle the captives by moving them into colonies for labour, giving them to temples, giving them as rewards to deserving individuals, and giving them to his soldiers as loot. Some chattel slaves began as free people who were found guilty of committing illicit acts and were forced to give up their freedom. Other chattel slaves were born into the life from a slave mother.[7]

    Bonded laborers[edit]

    Ancient Egyptians were able to sell themselves and children into slavery in a form of bonded labor. Self-sale into servitude was not always a choice made by the individuals’ free will, but rather a result of individuals who were unable to pay off their debts.[8] The creditor would wipe the debt by acquiring the individual who was in debt as a slave, along with his children and wife. The debtor would also have to give up all that was owned. Peasants were also able to sell themselves into slavery for food or shelter.[3][4]

    Some slaves were bought in slave markets near the Asiatic area and then bonded as war prisoners. Not all were from foreign areas outside of Egypt but it was popular for slaves to be found and collected abroad. This act of slavery grew Egypt’s military status and strength. Bonded laborers dreamed of emancipation but never knew if it was ever achievable. Slaves foreign to Egypt had possibilities of return to homelands but those brought from Nubia and Libya were forced to stay in the boundaries of Egypt.[9][10]

    The term "Shabti"[edit]

    One type of slavery in ancient Egypt granted captives the promise of an afterlife. Ushabtis were funerary figures buried with deceased Egyptians. Historians have concluded these figures represent an ideology of earthly persons' loyalty and bond to a master. Evidence of ushabtis shows great relevance to a slavery-type system. The captives were promised to be granted an afterlife in the beyond if they obeyed a master and served as a laborer. The origin of this type of slavery is difficult to pinpoint but some say the slaves were willing to be held captive in return for entrance into Egypt. Entrance into Egypt could also be perceived as given "life". Willingness of enslavement is known as self-sale.[6] Others suggest that shabtis were held captive because they were foreigners.[6] The full extent of the origins of shabtis are unclear but historians do recognize that women were paid or compensated in some way for their labor, while men were not. However payment could come in many forms. Although men did not receive monetary wages, shabtis were promised life in the netherworld and that promise could be perceived as payment for them.[10] So Shabtis are associated with bonded labor but historians speculate some sort of choice for the Shabtis.

    In the slave market, bonded laborers were commonly sold with a 'slave yoke' or a 'taming stick' to show that the slave was troublesome.[11] This specific type of weaponry to torture the slave has many local names in Egyptian documents but the preferred term is called 'shebya'. There are other forms of restraint used in Ancient Egypt slave markets more common than the shebya, like ropes and cords.

    Forced labor[edit]

    Several departments in the Ancient Egyptian government were able to draft workers from the general population to work for the state with a corvée labor system. The laborers were conscripted for projects such as military expeditions, mining and quarrying, and construction projects for the state. These slaves were paid a wage, depending on their skill level and social status for their work. Conscripted workers were not owned by individuals, like other slaves, but rather required to perform labor as a duty to the state. Conscripted labor was a form of taxation by government officials and usually happened at the local level when high officials called upon small village leaders

    There is a consensus among Egyptologists that the Great Pyramids were not built by slaves. Rather, it was farmers who built the pyramids during flooding, when they could not work in their lands.[13][14] The construction of the pyramids is not specifically mentioned in the Bible either.[15] The allegation that Jewish slaves built the pyramids was in fact made by Jewish historian Josephus in his book Antiquities of the Jews, writing “They [the Egyptian taskmasters] set them also to build pyramids.”.[16] Christian field archeologist David Down also acknowledged that Josephus' allegation has been dismissed by archeologists.[16]

    Egyptian slaves, specifically during the New Kingdom era, originated from foreign lands. The slaves themselves were seen as an accomplishment to Egyptian kings’ reign, and a sign of power. Slaves or b3k were seen as property or a commodity to be bought and sold. Their human qualities were disregarded and were merely seen as a property to be used for a master’s labor. Unlike the more modern term, “serf”, Egyptian slaves were not tied to land; the owner(s) could use the slave for various occupational purposes. The slaves could serve towards the productivity of the region and community. Slaves were generally men, but women and families could be forced into the owner’s household service.[5]

  • Terry
    Terry

    Very interesting . . .

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Also, wanna know how the Egyptians built the Pyramids?

    They apparently used the labor of paid men, and beasts of burden, such as oxen, to pull stone to the building site of the Pyramids using … sleighs to pull the load over the sand.

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