Christian Family Gets 5 Children Taken Away by Gov't for Teaching God Punishes Sin

by GodZoo 28 Replies latest social current

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  kaik

  Talesin,

  I am not familiar with Canada, but Norway had stolen various foreign national children, broke up the families, and put them for adoptions against any regard of their citizenship. It had done to Czechs, Poles, Lithuanians, Romanians, Russians, Swedish, and Indians. Czech president compared the program to German's Nazi Lebensborn. Last month, there was a demonstration in Bucharest against Norway. Next two weeks there are planned demonstration all over the world in front of Norwegian embassies. What is the most frustrating is that Norway behaves extremely arrogantly to other European states, and even does not bother to reply to three official diplomatic notes from fellow NATO country like Czech Republic. Norway interferes in Central Europe all the time, which was reason why Hungary expelled anyone associated with Norwegian funds, and these two countries had frozen relationship for 18 months (lifted on December 5, 2015). If you have almost dozen EU countries lined up against Norway, the problem is not on their side, but with Norway.

  I am not sure if you have visited any Scandinavian country, but I have been in all of them,multiple times, and I was not impressed. They are generally rude and unpleasant to other Europeans. Their social engineering programs has degenerated them. By 2030 Sweden will be 3rd world country by UN report. Many ways, it is already. People live with the image the Scandinavia had in 1970's, but reality is totally different. I went to Copenhagen to Helsinky to Malmo and elsewhere over last 25 years and I can compare it from my first visits. It can be said that pretty much entire Europe is broken and beyond any help at this point. The saddest thing is that majority of Europeans even do not care about it anymore.
  
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  talesin

  kaik, yes, isolationist. I remember looking at immigration years ago, and learning that a Canadian would not be welcome. And the government-assigned names, etc. The Scandinavian countries have similar geography to Eastern Canada, and a heritage of 'love of nature' (at least, that was my understanding). My natural curiosity and urges to travel meant looking up "Norway" in the encyclopedia was a MUST. (pre-internet!)
  
  I readily believe what you say (especially after googling myself) in your comments here. It does reflect how I could 'see' that culture going.
  
  I've not visited - my goals would be Iceland, through parts of Britain, to Czech Republic, Netherlands, France, Greece.
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  kaik

  Telesin, current Norwegian collision course with many EU and NATO countries is interesting and unprecedented. Frozen relationship between Hungary or threat of Czech Republic to break up diplomatic relationship with it after it caught its ambassador lying to the Czech media and to the Czech President is unparalleled in modern European history. It does not reflect well on the country that portraits itself as a humanitarian superpower of the Universe. Misunderstanding between two states are common, but they can be explained if there is a good will. Considering that Norway had ignored three diplomatic notes from fellow NATO member country, it shows only its arrogance.

  I have been almost every European country from Spain to Finland, from UK to Greece, and Ireland to Russia, so I have my favorites and I can compare. However, considering where Europe as whole is heading, there won't be much worth to visit in the next five to ten years. I used to have family in Vienna since the time of Imperial monarchy. I was there in the 70's, 80's when Iron Curtain was difficult to cross to visit my relatives. They all had passed away, and I do not have much reason to go there anymore. I been in Vienna at least 40x in my life, but this city is dirtier as the years go by. Last time I went there with my spouse we toured places where my aunt and cousins lived, but we got to run down street with full of Muslims and we witnessed a brutal street fight between some Turks. We swore never to visit that city again. If I want to see street adventure, I can go any inner city project in USA without wasting money on travel and exchange rate.
  
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  kifoy

  Back to the first post:

  Child welfare services in Norway have reportedly removed five Christian children from their parents' home and placed them into foster care after the parents were accused of radicalizing and indoctrinating their children with Christianity.

  Well. That is not the whole truth. The religion was not the tipping point. That was when the parents was suspected to beat their children. So when "religous indoctrination" means that the parents find them selves entitled to beat their kids, yes, Barnevernet steps in. And that is the case here, as far as I have understood. The parents are being charged for violence against their own children, not for religious indoctrination.

  Please read: http://www.vl.no/do-not-use-the-word-persecution-lightly-1.668127

  Physical abuse of children is utterly forbidden in Norway, and that law trumps any religious belief that you may beat your kids. This has caused even the Watchtower to edit their publications in Norway so that parents are no longer (openly) adviced to beat their kids. But some religious movements i Norway are still believing in the "biblical" (abusive) upbringing of their children.

  So I don't understand these protests. Either someone has misunderstood completely, or they think child-beating is ok.
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  LoveUniHateExams

  'Norway accused of taking away immigrant children' (Star article).

  And Cameron gets slammed for not taking in immigrant children.

  What exactly do these protestors and 'activists' want?
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  kaik

  So I don't understand these protests. Either someone has misunderstood completely, or they think child-beating is ok.

  Considering that in case of Eva Michalkova there was no proof of any abuse and beating, and Norwegian government was caught lying to Czech, Polish, Lithuanian, etc. governments. You are making up stuff up by associating someone somewhere had beat up child so one country has the right to size under-age citizen of another country (kids of Eva Michalkova are Czech nationals and have Czech passport, not Norwegian), so it makes in that case a right. You trying to justify something that is very broad and unrelated in that specific case.
  

  Norway is the only country in Europe with exception of Serbia to sign the international agreement on rights of Parents and Children. Six different EU and NATO counties compared Norwegian issue with national socialist family experiment and there are significant talks breaking up diplomatic relationship with Norway among them. Expelling Norway from NATO would be a good start.
  
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  kifoy

  First: I responded to the obviously false claim that the children was taken away because of "religious indoctrination", which have let to all this hysteria and demonstration from Christians.

  I do not know this particular case in detail (other that through the media) or whether or not the suspicion of abuse have been proven right or wrong at this point. According to Wikipedia “The Bodnariu spouses have admitted that they have physically disciplined their children, which is a criminal offence in Norway. But they argue that the measure is far too severe in respect to the "mild spanking" they have applied to their children.” So what is “mild spanking”? Even ear-pinching is considered as abuse in Norway, and therefore forbidden.

  In principle, I of course can understand the reactions when "foreign" kids are taken away from their families. On the other hand: If the family live and work in Norway, they have to abide by Norwegian law. And according to Norwegian law, spanking is forbidden. And when parents spank their kids, Barnevernet steps in. That's Norwegian law. Children are to be kept safe from abuse, regardless of nationality.

  Barnevernet, as far as I know, always tries to solve issues within the family first. If they find this insufficient, and fear for the child's safety, the child may be taken into foster care.

  I will not claim that Barnevernet is flawless. They have had cases that have both been handled really good and really bad. The latter may very well also be the case here, I cannot know, as I have no detailed insight to the case. And I do not think you know the case in detail either, do you? At least you have a lot of undocumented claims here that I can't relate to.

  I don't know why Norway have not signed the agreement you mention (and I don't know in detail what that agreement is about). Normally Norway is one if the first to sign agreements related to human or children's rights.

  [EDIT: I checked. The law on ratification of the Haag convention of 1996 has been announced (sept. 2015), but is awaiting the final approval]
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  Vidiot

  I don't like capital punishment and as a parent, I avoid it whenever humanly possible, but I have to concede this...

  ...when a kid no longer fears a whuppin' for misbehaviour, he or she can get really defiant, and it ain't pretty.
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  kaik

  First: I responded to the obviously false claim that the children was taken away because of "religious indoctrination", which have let to all this hysteria and demonstration from Christians.

  Considering the Czech Republic is one the most secular and atheistic countries, I do not know where do you get that it is hysteria and demonstration from Christians. Anti-norwegian demonstrations attracted people from diverse social and economic background, not from religious.

  That's Norwegian law. Children are to be kept safe from abuse, regardless of nationality.

  Foreign nationals cannot be taken for adoption against wishes of the country they have citizenship. It also violates a diplomatic relationship that Norway signed with Czech Republic. It is the same if Czech Republic decides to size Norwegian underage citizens due suspicion of incest among Norwegians. Incest in Czech Republic is felony. Than would put these underage for adoption and prevent Norwegian family to have whatsoever contact with them. Czech Republic would ignore there diplomatic notes from Norway and would continue interfere into internal matter of Norway through some money-laundering multi-culti funds like Norway tried in Hungary.

  And I do not think you know the case in detail either, do you?

  Yes, I do not know the detail, but I follow it for two years. It is one the most documented and presented case in the Czech media causing it that Norway became one the most hated country there. On top of it, Norwegian ambassador lied to the face of the Czech president in front of national TV and she should be expelled. Czechs lived in German-Nazi propaganda, and Russo-Communist propaganda, and to not take lying easily. They despise the Scandinavian arrogance.
  

  The law on ratification of the Haag convention of 1996 has been announced (sept. 2015), but is awaiting the final approval

  So, finally one person gave me a credit that this country is dragging its feet on this matter.

  
  

  Have a good day!