Active JW's - Are you following "the slave" or the Scriptures?

by The Fall Guy 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • The Fall Guy
    The Fall Guy

    Despite the scriptures instructing Christians to witness for CHRIST, and not for God...

    Matthew 10:18; Mark 13:9; Luke 24:48; John 1:15; 5:37; John 8:18; John 15:26, 27;

    Acts 1:8; 9:15,16; 10:39; 10:43; 13:31; 22:15; 22:20; 23:11; 26:16; 1 Cor. 1:6; 1 Tim. 2:6, 7; 2 Tim. 1:8; 1 John 5:9; Rev. 1:9; 12:17; 17:6; 19:10; 20:4...

    ….and telling Christians to call on CHRIST's name for everything and not GOD's name...

    Matthew 10:22; 18:20; 19:29; 24:9; Luke 10:17; 21:12; 21:16, 17; John 2:23; 5:27, 28; 14:26; 15:16; Acts 2:38; 3:6; 4:10; 5:40; 5:41; 9:14-16; 10:48; 11:26; 16:18; 19:5; 22:16; 1 Cor. 6:11; 2 Cor. 5:15; Phil. 2:10; Heb. 13:15; Rev. 2:3; 2:13.....

    …..the organization's hierarchy and clergy mandarins persist in teaching the lie about whose name JW's have to witness for.

    Compounding their false teaching, they pervert Paul's words at Hebrews 13:15 regarding the name which was to PUBLICLY DECLARED: “Through him let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of our lips that make public declaration to his name.”

    Here are just 6 examples of the WTBT's repeated deception -

    w14 9/15 p. 11 par. 20 Are You Convinced That You Have the Truth? Why? As dedicated Witnesses of Jehovah, we are convinced that we have the truth....

    w14 11/15 p. 15 par. 12 - “Our lips should make public declaration to Jehovah’s holy name.”

    w12 1/15 p. 23 par. 10 - “The public declaration of our hope....Paul called this essential Christian activity “a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of lips which make public declaration to [God’s] name.” (WT's insertion & brackets)

    w11 3/15 p. 14 par. 9 - “...continue to rely heavily on Jehovah, who will grant you endurance as you “make public declaration to his name.”

    w05 7/15 p. 29 par. 14 - Why should we allow a month to pass without witnessing about Jehovah..?

    w03 5/1 pp. 28-29 - “a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of lips which make public declaration to [God’s] name.” (WT's insertion & brackets)

    ….but this Watchtower article really hammers home the “slave's” dogma:

    w94 9/15 p.10 Make Public Declaration to Jehovah’s Name

    If you are an active JW, take the time to compare what the org says with what all of the above scriptures really tell you, and then consider Paul's confirmatory words:

    (Hebrews 4:14) "Therefore, since we have a great HIGH PRIEST who has passed through the heavens, JESUS the Son of God, let us hold on to our public declaration of HIM."

    (Romans 10:9) For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.

    1st century Christians publicly declared the name of Jesus Christ – not “Jehovah.”

  • Rattigan350

    "scriptures instructing Christians to witness for CHRIST, and not for God."

    The scriptures instruct no such thing.

    Think about the context.

    The scriptures you listed was because the person of Jesus was new to them. They had to proclaim him and what he did and what it means because it was a new thing. But that did not change who the Israelites were and thus who Christians were in relation to Jehovah God.

    Don't get the Witnessing for Jesus and Witnesses of Jehovah confused. It is not about what all these scriptures say. It is about understanding how Jehovah and his son Jesus function in the Genesis to Revelation.

    Stop trying to find fault with the teachings, it won't work.

  • DesirousOfChange

    Isn't obvious that JWs follow "the Slave"?


  • The Fall Guy
    The Fall Guy

    Rattigan350 said, "The scriptures instruct no such thing."

    Here are one or two scriptures I must have misinterpreted:

    (John 1:15) (John bore witness about him, (Jesus)

    (John 5:37) And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me.

    (John 8:18) ...bears witness about myself, and the Father..bears witness about me.”

    (John 15:26, 27) ....bear witness about me; and you, in turn, are to bear witness....

    (Acts 1:8) ..and you will be witnesses of me (not Jehovah) in Jerusalem,.....and to the most distant part of the earth.”

    (Acts 10:39) And we are witnesses of all the things he did.......

    (Acts 10:43) To him (Jesus) all the prophets bear witness.... (not Jehovah)

    (Acts 22:15) because you are to be a witness for him (Jesus, not Jehovah) to all men......

    (2 Timothy 1:8) ....the witness about our Lord.......(not Jehovah)

    (Revelation 1:9) ......bearing witness concerning Jesus. (not Jehovah)

    (Revelation 12:17) ....have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus. (not Jehovah)

    (Revelation 17:6) ......and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. (not Jehovah)

    (Revelation 19:10) ....witnessing concerning Jesus...the witness concerning Jesus...(not Jehovah)

    (Revelation 20:4) ...for the witness they gave about Jesus...... (not Jehovah)

    I look forward to you sharing one scripture which says Christians were to witness for Jehovah. Just one.

  • hoser

    I generally follow the scriptures and call out the elders on their bullshit rules. They don’t really like it but how can you argue against the word of Jehovah.

  • blondie

    Rattigan350, thanks for those scriptures. I researched that on my own a few years ago for one of my Comments and was stunned that nowhere could you find the phrase, Jehovah's witnesses, assigned to Christians. Even Jesus said that his followers would be witnesses of him (Jesus) not Jehovah.


    The problem with the WTS/Jehovahs Witnesses is that they MUST lie to assert an authority that they do not possess, The reason that their teachings change so often is because when new people get control of the governing body, they interpret scriptures with their own personal views and promote those flawed views in AWAKE and THE WATCHTOWER. That is why they follow a rigorous regiment of revisionist history not only of the scriptures, but also of their own short and complicated history.

    How do we know this? Because Jesus inspected all the churches in 1914 and found..blah, blah, blah.

    Really? Says who? An organization that was founded in America some 150 years ago? From a snake oil salesman who didn't like the idea of hell. Guess what, not one likes the idea of hell. Doesn't mean that it doesn;t exist.

    A better question as to who has the authority to interpret the bible has everything to do with simple, common sense.

    Who gave the world the bible and promoted it as the word of God? A_The Catholic Church

    Why did they compile the bible? A_To use in their liturgical practices

    Why would you listen to someone elses' interpretation? A_ Because you've been duped

    What about the Great Apostasy? A_Never happened, just another JW lie

    The bible states unequivocally that Jesus commissioned the apostles to build HIS Church. A Church to Jesus, hence the term "Christianity" and not "Jehovahanity"

  • waton

    You can have your cake and eat it to., when it comes to worrying about a mixed up concoctopn like "THE bible".

    just take Rev 20: 4 " witness they bore to jesus ans speaking about god.

  • Crazyguy2

    Doesn’t the WT admit to changing the good news and state somewhere that since 1914 the good news is now about the kingdom not Jesus?

  • blondie

    The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.

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