Child custody case material now available

by cherjcd 19 Replies latest members private

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  Uzzah

  Neon:

  Obviously you have strong feelings for the people involved. If you re-read my first post, I was not attacking the content.

  But since YOU raised it, I was told by several who have read this thread that the videos do contain some good information but the strong fundamentalist slant contained therein is a major turn-off.

  Providing information to someone in need (for a price) with the main purpose being to preach at them is not really the type of help people facing legal battles with the Borg need. They need sound legal advice not directions on how to find the Lord.

  For most newly left JW's such language would turn them off completely and would end up ignoring what ever good advice there was in your tapes.
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  Scully

  Several years ago, I was able to rent videos from MacGregor Ministries from local Christian bookstores.
  

  I'm glad I had the opportunity to rent them before making a decision to purchase them.

  Guess what? The rental, had I felt the content of the videos to be balanced and reasonable, would have compelled me to purchase them. The reverse is also true.

  When I read posts from the likes of rainbow2003, I find those very similar to the content and tone of the videos. Leaving the JWs and the mentality that went with it was hard enough without having the message blaring at me that JWs need to be "saved" and I should make it my mission to do so, after seeing these videos. I was trying to get OUT of a cult, not get sucked into another one.

  Not my cup of tea (and in all honesty, a turn off), although it may be what some people want.

  Love, Scully
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  cherjcd

  Hi,

  The Battling over the children video, which is part of the package on Child Custody Cases is a secular video produced to inform those involved in child custody cases and the amount of manipulation of the Watchtower society in these cases. http://www.mmoutreach.org/order/pkg_deals.htm

  Cheryl
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  bluesapphire

  I have also experienced the MacGreggor's approach as a turn-off. The fundamentalism paralells the JWs in many ways. However, I think it is unreasonable for anyone to expect their products for free. The prices are not out of line in my opinion.
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  Brummie

  I think its great that these materials are made available. I used to give everything away free but it really broke the bank, I simply couldnt afford to do it. The Macgregors send materials out to people all over the world, how could they ever afford to do this free? The alternative would be to not make any material available at all then no one would benfit.

  In what way are the Macgrogors a "cult" likened to JWism? They dont shun, they dont scare people or manipulate, they dont threaten anyones life by banning life saving products, they help people to get out of cults without forcing them to get into another religion. I just dont see them as being cultic at all. They do have beliefs, most people do. They are Christians, so its obvious their theology is going to influence their thinking. They also make their videos to warn churchs of the cults that prey on people who believe so its of little wonder they get "theological". But a "cult" likened to JWs???

  Brummie
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  Scully

  Hi Brummie:

  But a "cult" likened to JWs???

  That was my perception at the time when I watched the videos. Obviously my perception was one that included the recent realization of the possibility that I had been raised from childhood and spent 25 lost years in a cult known as the JWs. It was a hypersensitive time of my life and seeing spots in the videos of witnessing techniques for converting JWs to Christianity™ had me thinking that the group wasn't what I wanted for myself or my family. So if a "cult" isn't what they really are, then perhaps the way they present themselves causes people in extremely vulnerable states of mind to think they might be a "cult", and thus not worthy of further investigation.

  Remember how the WTS keeps saying that it isn't a cult? Remember how, when we were JWs, we never thought we belonged to a cult and dismissed accusations that JWs were a cult??

  Love, Scully
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  Brummie

  then perhaps the way they present themselves causes people in extremely vulnerable states of mind to think they might be a "cult",

  ah yes, I can see what you mean. I was very weary of anything that mentioned "bible" too. Once bitten twice shy huh.

  Brummie
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  NeonMadman

  But since YOU raised it, I was told by several who have read this thread that the videos do contain some good information but the strong fundamentalist slant contained therein is a major turn-off.

  Look, I'm not saying you should run out and buy their stuff if you don't want it. At the same time, I don't think you should condemn them for charging a fair price for what could be helpful materials containing a lot of good information.

  OK, so the material carries a religious message. Well, duh. You're buying it from a Christian ministry; their whole purpose for existing is to lead people to Christ. So, yeah, the material they produce is going to be slanted in that direction. Have we become such an anti-religious society that we can't gain knowledge about an important topic from materials because they may also contain a religious message we don't agree with?
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  NeonMadman

  For most newly left JW's such language would turn them off completely and would end up ignoring what ever good advice there was in your tapes.

  And just to clarify, they aren't "my" tapes. I'm not associated in any way with MacGregor Ministries, except that I see Lorri and Keith at conferences from time to time and consider them friends.
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  waiting

  Just a side note of interest.

  One of my family introduced me to a Methodist minister in a regular ol' big church. Lord, the minister's wife is a school teacher and both his kids go to college away from home.

  I've never heard anyone suggest that the average Methodist church goer or ministers are in a cult. Not too much different than most other Protestants.

  Well, the minister (upon understanding better jw's) felt compelled to pray over those who were going "in war" against the "evil" Watchtower. He really believes Satan is behind the WT - and that the WT uses "dark forces".

  lol - if you believe in God & Satan.....is he correct? Does that make Methodists a cult?

  I don't think so. I didn't want to be part of his church........but he's really feels terrible for all the "spiritual souls" of us who have been torn apart by the WT.

  Imho, we may not agree with personal religious viewpoints of others.....but that doesn't mean they can't help millions of JW's get out of high control (or perhaps a cult) of the WTBTS.

  Just because a person or group is religious doesn't make them part of a cult. Just because they're vocal doesn't make them a cult.

  Freeminds has a good synopsis of what determines a basic cult - put together by professionals in that field of study.

  waiting