Comments You Will Not Hear at the 6-15-03 WT Study

by blondie 17 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • blondie
    blondie

    Hi Wolfgirl, I missed your post while I was posting.

    There were certain charities that I gave to each year regardless of what the WT said.

    I did the same and let other JWs know I was doing it; that there was nothing forbidding it in the publications as long as I wasn't giving it to a religious or political organization. I was surprised how many started donating to a charity. One brother started donating to an autistic charity because he had seen the good they did for his non-JW nephew (the brothers said the boy was demonized). One sister picked out the local humane society and ended up volunteering time too. Heehee.

    Blondie

  • Wolfgirl
    Wolfgirl
    (the brothers said the boy was demonized)

    OMG. They should be ashamed of themselves.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I haven't read this week's WT yet. I think I prefer yours, Blondie. Also, everybody else's commentary adds to the whole. Are Albert Scheweitzer and Mother Theresa really mentioned by name? A lifetime of noble effort dismissed with a sentence or two. I think the WTS provides such quotes, so if a householder questions the "faithful" they have a ready made response. No thinking required.

    OK, here is a sound byte for the householder, "How many widows and orphans have been fed in a century of witnessing?"

  • Maverick
    Maverick

    Along with Rocketman and jgnat I was thinking how the WatchTower is primarily a publishing company. The Friends are called 'publishers' and the time slips have places for placements of books, mags, and brochures things not mentioned in the Bible. But what of Christian works mentioned in the Bible? Such as helping widows and fatherless boys, people in dire need and the down-hearted? Screw the book placements, go help someone! Maverick

  • Gadget
    Gadget
    (the brothers said the boy was demonized)

    That just says it all to me about some of those 'taking the lead'.

    People waiting years for the end to come - At the assembly today there was a talk about the 'spiritual paradise' being here now. Is this new light that their going to give to these people to stop them feeling down about how long armagedons taking? "It doesn't matter because we're alredy in spiritual paradise, so we're ok." Or is this going to replace the earthly paradise hope soon?

  • minimus
    minimus

    Blondie, I love you! You kick butt!!! Your commentary was truthful and biting. No wonder we can't read the Commentary of James anymore.

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    Some of my thoughts as I am reading the rag for sunday:

    Paragraph 2: "Only Jehovah, the true God, can undo all the damage and provide the sort of help that is needed so that such calamities will never occur again."

    How does that sentence help anyone to get through a difficult situation? It is the equivalent of saying, hang on; we will deliver you soon. Don't worry, God will "soon" wipe out all the nasties and you will not have to worry.

    Some comfort.

    Then, check out the total missing of the point of this scripture:

    "Blessed by the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those in any sort of tribulation throught the comfort which we ourselves are being comforted by God." They then ask, how does God comfort us? The answer they give is the equivalent of HANG ON; God will deliver you from Adamic sin and death "SOON". Jesus will destroy Satan soon.

    THEY HAVE MISSED THE ENTIRE POINT. The scripture says, God comforts us; not God WILL comfort us. I learned about real reliance on God as a higher power, not through the WT, but from a recovery oriented belief system. I felt the strength of God as I never had in 20 years of being a witness.

    This entire article is lacking any real discussion of how we can rely on God and Jesus to get through each day; each minute, each second if need be. All one needs to do is look inward and discover how the depth of belief alone can guide us through what would be impossible otherwise, by surrendering ourselves to God and learning acceptance of what we can change and what we cannot.

    But then, the WT cannot speak of what they do not know. The concept of allowing worshippers to connect with their own internal belief in God is anathema to them; if we, the rank and file, could access the power of God without getting if from a meeting, or field service, or a meeting with a disinterested elder, then OH MY they will realize that WE DON'T NEED THEM. In fact, they get in the way.

    More proof of how OUT TO LUNCH they are in this article:

    paragraph 8:

    "As Jesus Christ carried out his earthly ministry, he did not always provide the help that the people thought they needed. Some longed for a Messiah who would free them from the hated yoke of Rome. But Jesus did not advocate revolution; he told them to "pay back...Caesar's ghings to Caesar." This paragraph cleverly SKIPS the point that Jesus blew away the jewish system of laws and reliance on a central, organized body of control over worshippers. Is that not a revolution? Oh ok it is not a political one as such, but it was a religious revolution to be sure. (He repeatedly and bluntly told the Pharisees, who probably did nothing illegal according to the law, that they were hypocrites, white-washed graves and that they were missing the point of the law: Love God, and your neighbor as yourself. Is it OK for anyone in the congregation today to call the elders, or the GB for that matter, on it's gross hypocrisy in allowing child molesters to walk in the congregation, or go in field service??? I guess we can't be THAT much like Jesus; just go in preaching work, go to meetings and SHUTUP about the child abuse scandal.)

    More evidence that this idea bothers the WT: When this article looks for examples of how God comforts, the very first place they go to is the Hebrew Scriptures, otherwise known as the OT, and make reference to PROPHETS pointing forward to a date, specific or non-specific. Blondie hit the nail on the head: they are drawing the comparison to themselves, but as usual, they do not come out and say it honestly; you have to know that the connection is made in every mind in the audience.

    Why the OT again? Oh for the good old days when God had a channel, prophets, and most of all, a SYSTEM OF CONTROL.

    Check out paragraph 17: "Jesus Christ was himself under intense pressure as the end of his earthly life drew near. He was fully aware of how his conduct could affect the name of his heavenly Father and of what it could mean to the future of all humankind." Incredible: in a discussion of comfort for us, a veiled reference is made to the need, as always, to WATCH OUR CONDUCT.

    As usual, the lesson has it backwards: if we can rely on our own relationship with God, unaffected by any modern day pharisees telling us how to worship, we will WANT to do what we believe God's will is for us. We won't need to be constantly beaten with the equivalent of a parent telling us to behave ourselves.

    What a piece of crap again for a lesson. Not one paragraph on how a Christian can focus on his own personal relationship with God and Jesus as the means to endure; to seek to find what God's will is for each one of us, instead of listening to the repeated harping on preaching to a public that knows more than the rank and file what a BAD place the congregation has come to be.

    Thanks for listening; I am on a rant again.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Wolfgirl,

    They should be ashamed of themselves.

    This was the first time I saw elders get what was due them for a comment like that. The mother went to the CO and he ripped into them. Turned out the CO had an autistic brother.

    Jgnat,

    Albert Scheweitzer and Mother Theresa really mentioned by name?

    Yes, they are. Of course, each one of them was a member of Christendom which really negates their good work as far as the WTS is concerned.

    Maverick,

    The Friends are called 'publishers' and the time slips have places for placements of books, mags, and brochures things not mentioned in the Bible.

    I once commented on this DB that if it was on the slip, more people would do it. "Publishers" are not rewarded for helping widows and orphans.

    Gadget,

    You cannot even imagine the cruel, unkind things elders can say to you and behind your back. The other elders just sit there and listen without stopping them.

    At the assembly today there was a talk about the 'spiritual paradise' being here now.

    If what I have witnessed is a spiritual paradise, I don’t want to be part of it. Paradise on earth controlled by the elders who would say an autistic boy is demonized would be "hell on earth."

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/48596/1.ashx

    Minimus,

    The WTS propaganda inspires me.

    Pistoff,

    THEY HAVE MISSED THE ENTIRE POINT. The scripture says, God comforts us; not God WILL comfort us. I learned about real reliance on God as a higher power, not through the WT, but from a recovery oriented belief system. I felt the strength of God as I never had in 20 years of being a witness.
    This entire article is lacking any real discussion of how we can rely on God and Jesus to get through each day; each minute, each second if need be.
    The concept of allowing worshippers to connect with their own internal belief in God is anathema to them; if we, the rank and file, could access the power of God without getting if from a meeting, or field service, or a meeting with a disinterested elder, then OH MY they will realize that WE DON'T NEED THEM. In fact, they get in the way.

    Wonderful rant, Pistoff. Really, I would say you kicked butt this week.

    Blondie

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