How Do You Explain This?

by Sunspot 9 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Sunspot

    The scriptures we were first introduced to that explained the "Paradise Earth" were:

    Psalm 37:29; "The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it."

    Psalm 37:34; "Hope in Jehovah and keep his way, And he will exalt you to take possession of the earth. When the wicked ones are cut off, you will see it."

    This idea took a long time for me to accept, and now I have difficulty dismissing the thoughts expressed IN these sctiptures, but I no longer accept the concept of a "promised New Order" as the WTS teaches it to be.

    I'm not having "second thoughts" on my feelings about the WTS, but I STILL have questions about how to understand the "meek possessing the earth" idea.I mean, it IS right there, and I can't figure out any other explanation for these scriptures.

    For those of you who had questions about this when you left the WTS, how do you explain this....what else could it mean?

    I'd appreciate any thoughts on this....



  • Sirona

    Hi Sunspot,

    I'm guessing here but I'm sure I've heard that other translations do not put the word "earth" into these verses - they use "land". What translation are you using?


  • Sirona
  • Sirona

    Psalm 37 34 Wait for the LORD
    and keep his way.
    He will exalt you to inherit the land;
    when the wicked are cut off, you will see it.

  • acsot

    I wondered the exact same thing while trying to figure out what was right/wrong with JW teachings. This link to an essay by Ray Franz may clear up some of the confusion:

  • Sunspot

    Thank you so much, Sirona and Acsot, for your time and your help. This has been eating away at me for a long time now. Funny thing is, that I HAVE a copy of Crisis of Conscience, that someone kindly sent to me just a few months after I DAed myself, and I don't remember reading that part you highlighted at all. Maybe I wasn't ready yet, who knows? It was a very stressful time then (still IS, lol) and maybe lots of things I read weren't absorbed.

    Whatever the case, I do thank you both once again.....



  • Kenneson

    If the righteous are to possess the earth and live on it forever, there never have been any righteous. None of the Old Testament personages are still here today. Nor any of the New Testament era. Where indeed are the meek? Neither the righteous nor the wicked of Psalm 37:10-11 (written centuries ago) exist today.

  • Introspection
    This idea took a long time for me to accept, and now I have difficulty dismissing the thoughts expressed IN these sctiptures, but I no longer accept the concept of a "promised New Order" as the WTS teaches it to be.

    Hello Sunspot,

    This is interesting to me, because you're saying you no longer accept that idea which the witnesses justified by the scriptures you cited, but you still accept those scriptures but you're just not sure what they are supposed to mean, would that be an accurate statement? Now don't take this the wrong way, but I've always found it curious that people accept something and then attempt to make sense of it, whereas it seems the logical course of action is to read something and find that it makes sense and then accept it because it does make sense.

    Now I'm far from a bible scholar so I won't be able to give you some in depth explanation, but a simple observation I have is that the Psalms are songs, right..? While it may sometimes be interesting to figure out the lyrics, I guess I just tend to enjoy the general theme of the song, the sentiment behind it.

  • JCanon

    Eternal life on earth?

    The easiest way to explain this is by the two resurrections. The first resurrection is the"better resurrection" and it is a heavenly one. It is the resurrection of Christ's Bride who are presented by the number "144,000". These are kings and priests. That number is probably symbolic, however, likely the true number is X10, ten being an earthly number; thus 1,440,000.

    These are to the kings and priests, as noted, but of whom? Thus the other side of the question is answered. They will be kings and priests of the rest of mankind. First during the 1000 years after Armageddon of those who have not yet been granted eternal life. These must live through the 1000 years and then be tested one last time by Satan. Those who pass the test will enter JUDGMENT DAY which follows immediately after Satan has been destroyed in the lake of fire. These are the "dead, the great and the small" who then get eternal life.

    Then there is a resurrection, the second resurrection, a general resurrection during Judgment Day of both the righteous and the unrighteous. All the rest of dead mankind thus come back to be judged. Many have already been judged as "righteous" having their names already written in the "book of life". These are the "righteous ones" the meek ones who will now possess the earth and inhabit it forever. Of course, the unrighteous ones will now receive their judgment and be tossed into the lake of fire with their father, the Devil and all the wicked angels. Thus, the lake of fire is also called the "second death" for the wicked; this being their final death.

    Sooooo...the righteous who eventually inherit the earth will fulfill this scripture. With all humans now alive at the same time, these righteous resurrected ones will see the final judgment of the wicked and they will then possess the earth forever in pefect health.

    Once all the judging is over and the righteous now approved to go to the trees of life, then the Bride Class of Christ will undergo so so-called "rapture" where they will meet Christ in the air to become spirit beings in Heaven.

    One detail that must be understood for this chronology, though, is that the first resurrection is first back into the flesh since Christ and the Bride Class of 144K (1,440,000) will be in the flesh on the earth for the 1000 years after Armageddon and also for Judgment Day in which they will participate. Only at the very end, when it is said that "death is no more" which is when the last wicked one has paid their penalty will the Bride Class then go to heaven and put on spiritual bodies. "But first is the fleshly...then the spirit." (1 Cor. 15:)


  • A Paduan
    A Paduan

    Let there be a firmament between the waters above (from God) and the waters below - the kingdom - the righteous inherit the land - I saw a new earth (a new land)

    And they see how the wicked are cut off from the land - as in fundamentalism

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