Another big win for child molesters!

by lastmanstanding 11 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • lastmanstanding
    lastmanstanding

    It just keeps getting easier and easier to molest. When Big Religion has got your back, and you know that you can rape kids with impunity as Father Religion keeps the door to heaven swinging wide, 24/7 absolution available for the superstitious pedo, why not should everyone rape kids…

    The pedophile loophole, the mainstay of the whitewashed, Clergy Penitent Privilege, the Hole E Grail of The Christian Whore is swinging open, welcoming the perverts. Watchtower could not be happier. Hard work all that political lobbying you know.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/push-for-clergy-to-report-abuse-stalls-in-deeply-mormon-utah/2023/03/01/b29fc072-b7f6-11ed-b0df-8ca14de679ad_story.html

  • BoogerMan
    BoogerMan

    Sincere thanks for that link; immediately passed it on to two separate JW households who are both seriously questioning the cult's teachings and practices.

  • lastmanstanding
    lastmanstanding

    As long as pedophiles can go get some absolution from their religious dude and hence be assured of eternal salvation, they will continue to rape kids.

  • Simon
    Simon

    You may want to look into the public school system. This is where most child abuse occurs.

  • was a new boy
    was a new boy

    states' rights - Utah and Arizona

    (posted this article since original link is dead)
    March 1, 2023

    'In the wake of the AP’s investigation last year, Republican state Rep. Phil Lyman and Democratic Rep. Angela Romero announced plans to reform Utah’s clergy-penitent privilege loophole. Lyman, who served six years as a Latter-day Saints’ bishop, said at the time lawmakers should want to reexamine the loophole “regardless of religious or political affiliation.”

    “People should be able to go and confess their sins to their bishop without fear of being prosecuted up until when they are confessing something that has affected someone’s else life significantly,” he told the AP in August.'

    "... churches have maintained the same playbook for decades in opposing more disclosure.

    Routinely it involves a two-pronged approach, defending clergy-penitent privilege in statehouses and using it to avoid damaging disclosures in court cases, said Hamilton, also a University of Pennsylvania law professor.

    “They have not veered from it. Both institutions are hoping that time will simply let everybody start trusting them again,” Hamilton said, referring to Catholics and Latter-day Saints.

    But, she added, “by preventing the public — and especially the sincere believers — from getting the full story you don’t create the accountability that these organizations should be held to and the secrets continue.”

    “The problem in the United States — and this is particularly acute in state like Utah — is that the lobbying power of these religious organizations is so extraordinary,” Hamilton said.'

    https://apnews.com/article/mormon-clergy-abuse-reporting-utah-ca56260080476c4c99cd6359bd3742f3

    Court cites clergy-penitent privilege in dismissing child sex abuse lawsuit against Mormon church

    November 8, 2023
    An Arizona judge has dismissed a high-profile child sexual abuse lawsuit against The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, ruling that church officials who knew that a church member was sexually abusing his daughter had no duty to report the abuse to police or social service agencies because the information was received during a spiritual confession.

    In a ruling on Friday, Cochise County Superior Court Judge Timothy Dickerson said the state’s clergy-penitent privilege excused two bishops and several other officials with the church, widely known as the Mormon church, from the state’s child sex abuse mandatory reporting law because Paul Adams initially disclosed during a confession that he was sexually abusing his daughter.

    “Church defendants were not required under the Mandatory Reporting Statute to report the abuse of Jane Doe 1 by her father because their knowledge of the abuse came from confidential communications which fall within the clergy-penitent exception,” Dickerson wrote in his decision.

    Although the church excommunicated Adams, its decision to withhold his abusive behavior from civil authorities allowed him to continue abusing his daughter for seven years, during which he began abusing a second daughter, starting when she was just 6 weeks old.

    Lynne Cadigan, an attorney representing the Adams children who filed the 2021 lawsuit, said she will appeal the ruling. “How do you explain to young victims that a rapist’s religious beliefs are more important than their right to be free from rape?” she asked. Cadigan also said the ruling, if allowed to stand, would “completely eviscerate the state’s child protection law.”
  • Big Dog
    Big Dog

    The public policy behind privileged communications is that we want people to be able to seek help without fear of reprisal or prosecution. The idea is that it is more important for people to get help than to punish them for prior bad acts. There are only a handful of legally protected relationships in the US and the law is not uniform, some are social worker-client, attorney-client, religious cleric-parishioner, psychologist-patient, spousal privilege, reporter-source and doctor-patient.

    The privilege protects the communication between the parties from being subject to legal subpoena and being used as evidence against an individual. The privilege does not protect the threat of futured illegal acts or contemplated harm, only acts in the past.

    It can be difficult at best to weigh the competing interests between wanting people to seek help and prosecuting them for prior crimes. There is an old saying that hard cases make bad laws, meaning that basing a law on a particularly difficult set of facts or bad outcome is not always the best idea.

    Would we rather someone get counseling and perhaps stop whatever it is they are doing, or would we rather see that they are punished? If we begin carving out exceptions to the privilege rule that is usually a slippery slope towards nullifying it.

    Also, I suspect most of the time the professional will admonish the confessor to cease their activities and even confess and accept punishment for them. I can see the value of a patient being able to tell his physician that he has been ingesting illegal drugs so that the doctor may treat him properly without worrying about the physician calling the police and reporting him after he leaves the office or a reporter being able to protect a source that delivers important information about some wrongdoing so that they don't have to fear for their life.

    All privilege is like any other law or rule, it's a line we draw in the sand and there will always be situations just on the other side of the line that we don't like. I hate it that pedophiles can be shielded from prosecution due to clerical privilege but I'm not sure what the answer is as I believe privilege has sound public policy behind it.

  • jhine
    jhine

    It seems that most of the above pertains to America

    As a British Anglican ( have l mentioned that ? ) l can share personal knowledge of the state of play in the Anglican church.

    This issue is being taken very seriously in the church. I am the DBS ( Disclosure and Barring Service) checker for my Parish church. This means that l am responsible for getting DBS checks done for anyone who has anything to do with children or vulnerable adults.

    It also means that l and others like the church warden , parish administrator and lay readers ( we don't have a vicar atm ) have to undertake safeguarding training to know how to spot any suspicious behaviour and respond. Also what to do if someone reports something untoward behaviour.

    Each Parish has a safeguarding officer and any incidents from minor accidents to suspicion of abuse had to be noted down so that records exist to be used later if necessary.

    Jan from Tam

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    I'm on the Board of Directors of a locally ran church and K-12 academy. We have members and parents of students who are in law enforcement, university professors, construction workers... all walks of life. At great expense, we recently hired a police officer in a patrol car to be present on a full-time basis. We also do background checks for those in teaching positions.

    I am encouraged by the comments above from Jhine regarding a big box name denomination. I think though that in general, locally run churches have less beauracracy to deal with. We have an insurancy policy that covers inappropriate behavior accusations specifically designed to cover legal costs so that the truth can come out in such an unfortunate case of abuse or sexual harassment of one sort or another.

    Our policy of ethics is available for everyone to read and all of leadership is on board and in agreement. In the WT model, leadership just does as they are told and bears no individual responsibility for their choices to others.

    As previously mentioned, even though the beauracracy of the RCC is probably high, kids are more than 100 times safer there than in a public school.

    The public school system is a diaster and is turning out large numbers kids that are abused and confused. Some mutilate their bodies in an attempt to be something other than what God made them to be.

    Secular Materialism is the dominant religion/philosophy in public schools. It is the dominant philosophy on this very discussion board.

    We should aknowledge the existence of this new religion that is rapidly gaining ground in our society, and research it like we would any other important apparatus we are contemplating participating in.

    Most of us here, as well as in my case 3 previous generations, greatly suffered from not researching the WT before joining. Let's not make the same mistake again.

  • jhine
    jhine

    Sea Breeze " we have an insurance policy that covers inappropriate behaviour accusations. "

    Isn't it a bit late when inappropriate behaviour has happened?

    I know that there is no foolproof way to stop all abuse but CofE is trying as best as it can to do that by identifying people who might be a danger.

    Yes there is now a huge amount of beaurocracy now to contend with . I am well aware of it believe me but that is what it takes to protect the vulnerable.

    Jan from Tam

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    In the case of some kind of serious accuasation, we as a board want law enforcement and attorney's to get involved and to work out all the details and get to the truth.

    If there was some lapse in our vetting process, ethics policies etc; we want to know about it right away. We want to use professionals trained in these areas. A good insurance policy assists in these efforts.

    In the unfortunate case that someone was abused on our watch, the school can't just declare bankruptcy. The insurance company could be sued up to policy limits of several million dollars. It is a protectioin and benefit to our students.

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