A paradox or a contradiction? Titus 1:12

by James Mixon 11 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • James Mixon
    James Mixon

    Paul quoted a Cretan who said, "Cretans are always liars".

    OK, If this was said by a cretan and cretans always lie, then he

    too was lying, but if this Cretan was lying when he said cretans always lie,

    then cretans do not always lie and there is a lie in the scripture. If, on

    the other hand, this Cretan was telling the truth about Cretans, then

    Cretans do not always lie, at least not the one who said this.

    In either event, there is falsehood by the apostle Paul.

    Do you agree?

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot
    This paradox is based on the faulty assumption that liars don't tell the truth on occasion as it suits them. A "truth" here and there embedded in a grand lie.
  • James Mixon
    James Mixon

    Like some people we know, "don't tell the truth on occasion as it suits them".

    This Cretan appear to be a JW, he speaks like one and Paul takes the bait

    and run with it. All Cretans are liars, all Apostates are liars.LOL

  • truthseeker100
    What's the point in debating fairy tales?
  • James Mixon
    James Mixon

    To open the eyes of people that believe in them. I still have family members

    that believe in a talking snake.

  • truthseeker100
    I guess James. Thought experiments are indeed beneficial for those that dream them up and for those that listen to them. LOL
  • sparky1

    This of course is nothing more than the Apostle Paul "quote mining" in order to prove his own bias and to 'glorify' Jehovah's name and to push his own brand of religion. Exactly what the Watchtower Society does today when it cherry picks 'quotes' of scientists and scholars that seem to support the Societies own viewpoint. This quote is taken from a poem by Epimenides (See Wikipedia for a fuller biography) who wrote in defense of his god Zeus:

    "They fashioned a tomb for thee, O holy and high one

    The Cretans, always liars, evil beasts, idle bellies!

    But thou art not dead: thou livest and abidest forever,

    For in thee we live and move and have our being."

    The Apostle Paul was quoting from a religious poem that glorified Zeus and was putting down the Cretans for not believing in him. Probably not a very good source of evidence for the 'Christian' Apostle Paul to use in describing the character and state of honesty of every person in Crete.

  • James Mixon
    James Mixon

    Thanks sparky 1. I wish more people would read the Bible and think. "Paul "quote mining",

    to prove his own bias. Exactly what the WT does today", agree. When your eyes are open it's

    amazing how fast you can see through the BS, at times it become knee deep.

  • Quarterback
    Yes, it's true. That's why their noses are significantly larger.
  • Vidiot

    "...paradox or contradiction..."

    Either way, what fun!

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