Pawn to Queen 2034 anyone?

by Fisherman 28 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Disillusioned JW

  Fisherman, I am pointing out that your comments give me the impression that you are not entirely whom you claim to be. You claim to be a JW who believes in what the WT teaches yet you also make multiple statements in conflict with WT teachings, or that imply (or hint) that the WT is wrong in some specific teachings. In one of your comments (on a different topic thread), when writing to a Jew, you even said you are a Jew (for you made the statement of "I and other Jews ..."). You seem to be playing games with us and thus I don't take your comments very seriously anymore.

  Regarding myself the following is the case. More than 12 years ago I ceased considering myself a JW, except that I acknowledge that according to the WT/JW definition of a JW I am an inactive JW. I would have officially left the religion more than 12 years ago, if it were not because I have a JW mother and a JW sister (and that 12 years ago also had two JW grandparents), and that I wish to not be shunned by them. But I have told my mother and sister (and had told the two JW grandparents I had years ago) that I am now an atheist and that I believe nothing supernatural at all exists. But I am also someone who thinks that the WT is correct in some things they say about the Bible (and on other topics). I notice that the Bible contains some correct historical information and some good ethics, despite also having much false information and some bad ethics.

  After I stopped considering myself a JW I would have changed my handle of "Disillusioned JW" to no longer refer to myself as a JW, if such was possible to do.
  
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  LostintheFog1999

  My tuppence worth is this.

  "Soon". What does this mean?

  I used to use the scripture in Psalms back in my JW days in the ministry "and just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more...."

  Only once was I asked by a householder "when was this written?" and "don't you think that it's a failure in view of the time elapsed since!?"

  Soon. Just a little while. It can mean whatever you want it to mean, or it could mean nothing at all.
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  Fisherman

  am pointing out that your comments give me the impression that you are not entirely whom you claim to be.

  Read my posts here and think again. Your erroneous conclusions also show how you misunderstand the Bible. I am not going my practice my religion by your likings. I also previously made it clear to you my religious position. I am enjoying posting on this forum and having academic friendly discussions. Stop being concerned about my religious practices and worry about yourself.
  
  
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  Disillusioned JW

  About an hour (or so) after making my previous post of this topic thread, I regretted making that post. That is because about an hour after making the post I realized that my words sounded harsh, and I realized I should have kept the ideas expressed in the first paragraph of that post to myself. I also realized that I might have misinterpreted the implication of the post I had responded to, and thus the wording of my reply might not have been relevant to what I was replying to. But, by then it was too late to modify the post. I thus apologize to Fisherman for making my prior post.

  However I have no regrets for stating in various posts I am an atheist and for making comments (in various posts) which promote atheistic scientific naturalism as truth. I will continue to promote atheism, naturalism, and irreligion and to point out to readers and listeners various problems of the Bible and of Christianity. For me, doing such is a very important cause; it is more important to me than promoting the JW religion was to me when I was a very active believing JW.
  
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  Fisherman

  DJW, you are cool. In the heat of discussion I’ve often posted rashly here. I respect you for your honesty. I’ve noted this virtue in your other posts. I too mean no offense with my posts. I don’t preach to the choir here on this forum. Many posters here make good point. I’m not going to pretend they are not and resort to fallacy to win an argument. I would be lying to myself. I don’t want to give the impression that my objective approach to the forensic analysis and critical thinking of wt beliefs and practices on board means I don’t sincerely believe in my religion. I do believe. But I also enjoy the discussions here. It is interesting. I don’t need to be defensive about it in an apologetic manner.

  I also compassionately understand the feelings of people here because I too have feelings.

  With kindness,

  Fisherman
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  Disillusioned JW

  Regarding saying "Very, VERY soon" there is scriptural support for saying such and for thinking such (even if from a rational and critical thinking perspective such is inadequate), for Hebrews 10:37 (1984 NWT) says the following. 'For yet "a very little while," and "he who is coming will arrive and will not delay." If to a Christian it seems that God is delaying, then that might be sign (or a warning sign) that that Christian is loosing faith in Yahweh/Jehovah God. According to the Bible it is a grave matter to think that God is delaying, for note the very next verse says the following (in the 1984 NWT). ' "But my righteous one will live by reason of faith," and, "if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him." See also 2 Peter 3:9 (1984 NWT) which says the following. "Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness ....."

  From an atheistic perspective, if a person thinks God appears to be delaying, maybe there is hope for you yet.
  
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  markweatherill

  Thread title suggests a game of chess, but I think it's more like that stage of 'Hangman' where the arms and legs have been drawn, and the players have started drawing fingers and toes on the stick figure.
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  Fisherman

  “ I am coming quickly” 2000 years later is not quickly. Since the Bible is inspired, we need to understand how did Jesus come quickly.” Also, if you tell someone that the GT will arrive soon and you don’t even know if it is going to arrive at all during his lifespan, what do you mean by “soon”?
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  Jeffro

  Fisherman:

  I am coming quickly

  Jesus was explicitly expected to return within a generation of his death. He didn't. They were wrong, and that's all.
  

  Since the Bible is inspired

  

  Also, if you tell someone that the GT will arrive soon

  According to the Bible, the 'great tribulation' explicitly comes before Jesus' 'presence'.

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