Israel's WMD... Are they next?

by William Penwell 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    ThiChi,

    You don't get it. There are still a lot of people out there that hate the American's guts and will eventually get even with them. Unfortunately if they can't attack them directly they will do it indirectly. Most of the Iraq's Saddam regime could see that it was futile to fight a much more superior force, so they all went into hiding. The hate and mistrust is still there due to British and American past policies in foreign affairs. You can not force a people to like you. So for as many Iraq's that welcomed the American occupation there is as many or more that despises them being in their country and the fanatical Muslims will get back at them. Did the American's get all the terrorists? They maybe on the run and disorganized right now but the Americans cannot be every where at all time. Whether it is a suicide bombing of an American embassy or that of a night club like in Bali, they will get even one way or another. Unfortunately we the average "Joe citizen" will pay for it. I hope I am wrong but the way I see it we are right now in a calm period just before the storm.

    The answer? Well no one has all the answer but a start would be to understand and tolerate others differences. Educate them to understand our differences and not try to force our philosophies and ideologies on them. It will take a generation to get rid of all the hate and mistrusts that have been built up over the years. Sure we can keep going the way we are by killing the other side but I believe that we the western nations have to take the higher moral ground. If we stoop to their level of murdering innocents than we are no better than they are.

    Will

  • xenawarrior
    xenawarrior

    Maybe it was Iceland?

    Can't be Ireland cuz I have relatives there and I wouldn't like them invading that country for no reason

    ....can we move along to another letter of the alphabet?

    XW of the "invading and controlling the world alphabetically" class

  • Pleasuredome
    Pleasuredome
    GAWD

    You can take the person out of the Kingdom Hall but you can't [always] take the Kingdom Hall out of the person.

    you souldnt take everything i say so seriously, jay. tut, keh, tut, keh

    <----- thinking "honestly, its like living in nazi germany"

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    Penwell:

    ""ThiChi,

    You don't get it. There are still a lot of people out there that hate the American's guts and will eventually get even with them""

    No, I get it. You seem to ignore history and human nature. Name one world power that did not have a sizable resistence to its existence? So what? This is no different. You seem to think that if the US does this, or that, people will stop wanting to hate us. It will never happen! Compared to past world powers, we have been the most benevolent in history. Still, to no end. History sure tells us one thing, appeasement has never worked.

    Welcome to your world:

    Al-Qaeda (Afghanistan, Islamists)
    Osama bin Laden (al-Qaeda leader)
    Hamas, Islamic Jihad (Palestinian Islamists)
    Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades (Palestinian nationalists)
    PFLP, DFLP, PFLP-GC (Palestinian leftists)
    Hezbollah (Lebanon, Islamists)
    Jamaat al-Islamiyya, Egyptian Islamic Jihad (Egypt, Islamists)
    Armed Islamic Group (Algeria, Islamists)
    Kashmir Militant Extremists (Kashmir, Islamists)
    Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (Iranian rebels)
    Abu Nidal Organization (Iraq, extremists)
    Kach, Kahane Chai (Israel, extremists)
    Chechnya-based Terrorists (Russia, separatists)
    East Turkestan Islamic Movement (China, separatists)
    Kurdistan Workers’ Party (Turkey, separatists)
    Jemaah Islamiyah (Southeast Asia, Islamists)
    Abu Sayyaf Group (Philippines, Islamist separatists)
    Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (Sri Lanka, separatists)
    Irish Republican Army (U.K., separatists)
    IRA Splinter Groups (U.K., separatists)
    Northern Ireland Loyalist Paramilitaries (U.K., extremists)
    Basque Fatherland and Liberty (Spain, separatists)
    November 17, Revolutionary People’s Struggle (Greece, leftists)
    FARC, ELN, AUC (Colombia, rebels)
    Shining Path, Tupac Amaru (Peru, leftists)
    Aum Shinrikyo (Japan, cultists)
    American Militant Extremists (United States, radicals)
  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha

    Zionists have their own terrorist organizations such as Mossad and Sabak. The Zionists have Bush in their pocket.

    .

  • Jayson
    Jayson

    If you want the road to peace someone is going to have to drive. It ain't the U less N ations.

    Israel has a right to secure boarders. It has the right to exist. The Arab dream of an all Arab Palistine is going to only lead them to more and more misery. The Palestinians have had many chances for a better future and they keep throwing it away. Everytime the Arab fools attack Israel they loose more and more land. Nothing will change the mind of an anti-semite it's like talking to the dead.

    Rich you know I like ya. Just want those sources.

    This thread is a Weapon of Mass Distraction.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    ""Zionists have their own terrorist organizations such as Mossad and Sabak. The Zionists have Bush in their pocket.""

    What a fallacy! If this is the case, why does Bush favor a settlement pullback? Why does Bush refuse to label the POL a Theorist organization under the Bush Doctrine? I can go on and on. Your statements just don’t hold water.

    I wish the US would allow Israel to reclaim all of Samaria!

  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha

    The Jew's land claim is some flimsy wording in a several thousand year old collection of myths, which probably came from earlier stories passed down by storytellers. And you call this a valid claim?

    The Roman's called the area Palestine. As in Phillistine. Not Iudea. The Jews were just another group (and not a very highly regarded one) that lived there. But fine.. take the bible's word for it.. it basically admits the Isrealites commited genocide to get control of the Levant.

    The Palestinians have been in Isreal for thousands of years. Even the Byzantine Empire and the Crusader states did not try to cast them out as readilly as the fascist Isrealis want to do.

    The fact is Isreal was not a country without a people for a people without a country. It's occupied territory run by a bunch of deluded zionists. Without the aid and assistance of powerful Zionists elsewhere in the world, there would be no Isreal. A lot of Romany claim to be of Egyptian descent.. why not hand them over Egypt, create a gypsy state, and perpetuate more myth based nations.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    You can paint the religious aspect anyway you want. The Jewish people base their claim to the Land of Israel on at least four premises, not one, as you claim. You cannot, nor I, prove or disprove if the land was granted by Divine Providence. However, historically, a case can be made.

    MYTH

    “The Jews have no claim to the land they call Israel.”

    FACT

    A common misperception is that all the Jews were forced into the Diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 C.E. and then, 1,800 years later, suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years.

    The Jewish people base their claim to the Land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 2) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people; 3) the territory was captured in defensive wars and 4) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham.

    Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the beginning of the exile, Jewish life in the Land of Israel continued and often flourished. Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century. In the 11th century, Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea.

    The Crusaders massacred many Jews during the 12th century, but the community rebounded in the next two centuries as large numbers of rabbis and Jewish pilgrims immigrated to Jerusalem and the Galilee. Prominent rabbis established communities in Safed, Jerusalem and elsewhere during the next 300 years. By the early 19th century — years before the birth of the modern Zionist movement — more than 10,000 Jews lived throughout what is today Israel. 1 The 78 years of nation-building, beginning in 1870, culminated in the reestablishment of the Jewish State.

    Israel's international "birth certificate" was validated by the promise of the Bible; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel's admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel's people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    "" The Palestinians have been in Isreal for thousands of years""

    MYTH

    “Palestine was always an Arab country.”

    FACT

    The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C.E., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what are now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century C.E., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name. 3

    The Hebrews entered the Land of Israel about 1300 B.C.E., living under a tribal confederation until being united under the first monarch, King Saul. The second king, David, established Jerusalem as the capital around 1000 B.C.E. David's son, Solomon built the Temple soon thereafter and consolidated the military, administrative and religious functions of the kingdom. The nation was divided under Solomon's son, with the northern kingdom (Israel) lasting until 722 B.C.E., when the Assyrians destroyed it, and the southern kingdom (Judah) surviving until the Babylonian conquest in 586 B.C.E. The Jewish people enjoyed brief periods of sovereignty afterward before most Jews were finally driven from their homeland in 135 C.E.

    Jewish independence in the Land of Israel lasted for more than 400 years. This is much longer than Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States. 4 In fact, if not for foreign conquerors, Israel would be 3,000 years old today.

    Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not." 5

    Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:

    We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds. 6

    In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria." 7

    The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said "Palestine was part of the Province of Syria" and that, "politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." 8

    Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.

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