Wish You Were Here

by DakotaRed 30 Replies latest social current

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  DakotaRed

  Azalo, imagine that, the Liberal Media examining themselves and claiming they are not liberal. Want proof? How many have complained that the current war is failing and plans need redone recently? Two weeks into it, entering Baghdad already, Civilian casualties kept to a minimum (although one is too many), and they have been crying it is a failure?

  A self examining liberal claiming they aren't liberal isn't new, Clinton did it for 8 years. If the media was as conservative as you wish us to think, they would be lauding the Bush Administration and this war, not complaining it is dragging on, after only two weeks.

  The best way to hide your real agenda is to keep saying it isn't your agenda. We all saw it in the JWs and it is rampant in the liberal media.

  Sheila, thanks. I can't claim to be a man of honor, just one that strives to live by his values and tolerate others, until they try to destroy my values.
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  teejay

  If there really is a Corporal Joshua Miles and a 3rd Batallion 2nd Marines now stationed in Kuwait, HATS OFF and a major HOO-RAH! I disagree with some of what he said, though he has every right to say it.

  Secondly, it's only my opinion, but I couldn't care what celebrity is on what side of this or any issue. It makes me sick to think (know) that there are a) actually people out there who make up their minds about serious issues only after a movie star spouts his/her mouth off and b) people who feel more secure in their position because someone who's well-known has the same opinion as them.

  As far as I'm concerned, people like that don't deserve the right to have an opinion.
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  teejay

  A professor at Columbia University in New York is publicly calling for the massacre of American troops in Iraq ... Nicholas De Genova said he would like to see "a million Mogadishus"

  The Mogadishu comment was/is appalling. Mr. De Genova should be fired. Although I've thought all along that a Mogadishu type of street warfare awaits the Allied forces, I'd hate to see it happen on the scale that it might.

  The crowd was pretty much silent in response to the remark, but cheered loudly when he later said, "If we really believe that this war is criminal ... then we have to believe in the victory of the Iraqi people and the defeat of the U.S. war machine."

  I strongly disagree(d) with Bush's decision to go in with the military. IMO, not only was it premature but I also feel that all other (diplomatic) avenues of engagement weren't taken advantage of. That being said, once in, for the sake of our men and women, the Allied forces MUST win. Period. Losing is simply not an option. De Genova's remark is, to me, tantamount to traitorous. My mind races with several ideas of what I'd like to see done to him and none of them would be very pleasant.

  If the media was as conservative as you wish us to think, they would be lauding the Bush Administration and this war, not complaining it is dragging on, after only two weeks.

  While the overall bent of the American media might be described as a tad left of center, most if not all, of the "news" programs are conservative in the extreme and have a bias that is clearly pro-Bush/conservative and clearly pro-America, particularly since 9/11.
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  Realist

  dakota,

  yes i know....communism sounds good but doesn't work unfortunately. it is not as bad as you make it out to be but i won't even try to dispute its inherent flaws and over all failing.

  you never expirienced anything else but total capitalism and therefore you view it as the best form for society. i would have to disagree however. a system with controlled capitalism has the advantages of the US system combined with the advantages of socialism. several european contries like switzerland, germany etc. demonstrate the superiority of such an society.

  sheila,

  just as a side note...without the US europe would not have gotton into WWII in the first place. without US backing for GB GB would not have encouraged poland to stand against the german demands.
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  Sargon

  Someone sent this to me this morning, as a once proud Canadian I thought it was worth posting here. it may be long but is worth the read as many of my fellow countrymen feel the same way:

  Don Graves, of course, is the well-known Canadian historian.
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  > > The Saturday Ottawa Citizen carried an editorial which sums up the mood
  > > of many Canadians, including me. Having spoken about the growing pro-war
  > > movement in Canada, the writer talks about the changes in this country
  > > from that of his birth until now and how he misses
  > > The Canada of my parents, and of their parents, the Canada that
  > > remains in my heart. Of my grandfather who saw Vimy Ridge, and my dad
  > > who learned to fly a Spitfire. The Canada that came before the Canada of
  > > today, before the Canada of Jean Chretien -- before this New Canada that
  > > makes me heartsick, as it does several millions of my fellow Canadians
  > > -- that fills us with such a deep sense of shame.
  > > This New Canada, and these New Canadians -- who can no longer look
  > > an American, nor a Briton, nor an Australian in the eye. This Canada
  > > that dispatched its few remaining available soldiers hurriedly to
  > > peacekeeping duties in Afghanistan, as a kind of insurance, in case the
  > > Americans asked for help [in Iraq] ("Sorry! We gave at the office.").
  > > "How dare you!" I have felt, listening to the latest poll-driven
  > > volte-face from the most contemptible prime minister this country ever
  > > had; or to the little anti-American licks from the lickspittles who
  > > people his office and benches -- Francois Ducros ("moron"), Benoit Serre
  > > ("trigger-happy"), Colleen Beaumier ("How many children?"), Carolyn
  > > Parrish ("bastards"), Herb Dhaliwal ("let the word down"), and Mr.
  > > Chretien himself. "Not everyone around the world is prepared to take the
  > > word of the United States on faith" -- and he said this in Chicago.)
  > > If any American, or Briton, or Australian, or free man or woman
  > > should happen to be reading this, I want you to know that I am not
  > > speaking only for myself, I am speaking on behalf, quite literally, of
  > > millions of Canadians, who are very bit as disgusted as you are with our
  > > country. You have the same kind of people -- you will know perfectly
  > > well -- within in your own countries. The difference is, in Canada, they
  > > are in charge.
  > > In this particular moment of truth, and for all time, America had
  > > a Bush, Britain had a Blair, Australian had a Howard -- each one of them
  > > willing to stand, and face the music; each one a politician, but also a
  > > man. In this same moment of truth, and in the histories forever, Canada
  > > had the scuttling Chretien.
  > > We elected him, and his party. The shame is ours to redeem.
  > > To which I can only add that although I feel the shame, I had nothing to
  > > do with putting Jean Chretien in office as I have been voting against
  > > his party since I was old enough to vote (in fact, I live in the only
  > > Canadian Alliance riding in Ontario).
  > > What the hell is happening to this country? We are currently facing
  > > the most serious crisis since the 1970 October Crisis and, one way or
  > > another, we are fast reaching a decision point about Canada's future.
  > > For four decades we have bent over backward to placate Quebec, in the
  > > process transforming what was a fine and decent nation into something
  > > quite other -- Trudeau-topia -- and I think it is about time that, far
  > > from worrying about Quebec leaving Canada, English Canada should think
  > > about leaving Quebec. They have never been happy, they are currently
  > > unhappy and they never will be happy. Let them go and the political
  > > blackmail which has marked Canadian federal politics since the 1960s
  > > will disappear.
  > > In order to placate the Quebecois our government has landed us in an
  > > impossible situation with our traditional allies. Canadians did not want
  > > this war, they wanted the UN process to work but now that that process
  > > ended in failure, I think it grieves many to watch coalition soldiers,
  > > who are far closer to most English Canadians in their attitudes and
  > > views than the Quebecois and the so-called "new Canadians," fighting to
  > > overthrow a government that has to one of the most despotic and terrible
  > > regimes since the Third Reich. We may have disagreed with Britain and
  > > the US in the past (the Suez Crisis and Viet Nam) but we have always
  > > been there alongside them when faced with a serious challenge, as they
  > > have been with us. Don't kid yourself that Canada does not have a stake
  > > in this war because this war is about removing a serious threat to the
  > > stability of the western world and don't fool yourself that this
  > > conflict will end shortly. The inevitable fall of Iraq, to borrow
  > > Churchill's phrase, will not be the beginning of the end, it will only
  > > be the end of the beginning.
  > > To put it simply, these people hate us for religious and racial
  > > reasons and they will not stop attacking because Canada has done them
  > > "no wrong." They must be fought and it is far better to fight in the
  > > middle east than in North America. Yet, we have a government of
  > > lick-spittles (the editorialist's word, not mine, but I do not think it
  > > is strong enough) who truly believe that Canada is not threatened, that
  > > we do not need armed forces, that we should not stand beside our
  > > traditional allies and that we can protect ourselves through "UN
  > > multilateral action." If we have not done anything wrong, it is because
  > > we have done nothing, absolutely nothing and, as to the UN, anyone who
  > > watched that farce at the Security Council last month knows about how
  > > effective the UN truly is when faced with a crisis.
  > > I think it is time that English Canadians (and I use the phrase
  > > deliberately because the national term of Canadians has been co-opted by
  > > the Trudeau-topians) woke up and tried to get this country back on
  > > track.
  > > I am open to suggestions as to what we should do but at this point,
  > > my only suggestion is to not vote Liberal in the next election, no
  > > matter who is running that party, because they have smeared a once-proud
  > > country with the mark of shame.
  > >
  > > D.E. Graves
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > I hate to say it but I think we would be far better off as part of the
  > > United States than living in Trudeau-topia governed by this gang of
  > > clowns. Recently I have learned that Jean Crouton has aspirations to
  > > become the next secretary-general of the UN and I can only reply that an
  > > organization of the calibre of the UN deserves a leader of the calbire
  > > of Jean Crouton.
  > >
  > > DG
  > >
  > >

  Editted to add: I agree with most of what is said here, with the exeption of us being better off as part of the US....
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  SheilaM

  what a simplistic reasoning on a complex issue
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  dubla

  az-

  center-right channels such as CNN

  LMAO.

  aa
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  Realist

  sargon,

  this is satire right?

  is this from the same guy who wrote this humorous letter about how great the US is and how much the world owes to them?
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  Simon

  DakotaRed: I thought the "poem" was nothing more than self-glorifying propaganda and little else.

  Please do not tell me to be thankful to someone who is protecting me from people that were not threatening me.

  I also don't care much for your "everyone is a communist" attitude - it may have been all the rage 30 years ago but I have to tell you, the world has moved on pal and people wised up. Aren't most sensible peolpe embarrassed by the whole "commies are out to get us" episode in history?!

  Let us get one thing straight right now: This forum is not a soapbox for political views expressed as dogma either left-wing or right-wing to brow-beat people with. I am getting more than a little tired of these silly threads and am seriously considering stopping them.
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  Simon

  BTW: Azalo is perfectly free to post his comments to the thread - no one "owns" or has rights over a thread to deny others to comment. If their comments are out of line then one of the moderators can do something about it but otherwise, you simply have to counter any arguments and points raised.

  Sheila, thanks. I can't claim to be a man of honor, just one that strives to live by his values and tolerate others, until they try to destroy my values.

  DakotaRed: You come across to me as being one of the least tolerant people of other people's views and opinions and simply want to talk to people who will mirror your own ideas and political views. Maybe you imagine everyone is trying to destroy your values when they are not.