Watchtower illogic

by Vanderhoven7 21 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • stillin

    A little more on that lunar year business; the Jewish calendar has an extra month now and then to compensate for the discrepancy, which still doesn't bring us "presto!" To 1914. But the telling thing is that the Jews do not refer to the years prior to Christ as "BC" and after Christ as "AD," (Anno Domini, or "year of the lord) because they do not believe that Christ is "Lord." Instead, they use BCE (before Common Era" and CE, Common Era.

    Hey! That's what JW's do, too!

  • UnshackleTheChains

    That Jesus is not the mediator of all men. That Jesus is mediator to the anointed ones only.

    Yet 1 Tim 2:5 says

    one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

  • UnshackleTheChains

    Bible: Every eye will see Jesus coming on the clouds.

    Watchtower: Every eye won't see Jesus coming on the clouds.

    What is meant by his ‘coming on the clouds’ and ‘every eye seeing him’?

    Rev. 1:7: “Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him.” (Also Matthew 24:30; Mark 13:26; Luke 21:27)

    What is indicated by “clouds”? Invisibility. When an airplane is in a thick cloud or above the clouds, people on the ground usually cannot see it, although they may hear the roar of the engines. Jehovah told Moses: “I am coming to you in a dark cloud.” Moses did not see God, but that cloud indicated Jehovah’s invisible presence. (Ex. 19:9; see also Leviticus 16:2;Numbers 11:25.) If Christ were to appear visibly in the heavens, it is obvious that not “every eye” would see him. If he appeared over Australia, for example, he would not be visible in Europe, Africa, and the Americas, would he?

    In what sense will ‘every eye see him’? They will discern from events on earth that he is invisibly present. Also referring to sight that is not physical, John 9:41 reports: “Jesus said to [the Pharisees]: ‘If you were blind, you would have no sin. But now you say, “We see.” Your sin remains.’” (Compare Romans 1:20.) Following Christ’s return, some persons show faith; they recognize the sign of his presence. Others reject the evidence, but when Christ goes into action as God’s executioner of the wicked, even they will discern from the manifestation of his power that the destruction is not from men but from heaven. They will know what is happening because they were warned in advance. Because of what is overtaking them, they will “beat themselves in grief

    New Living Translation Matthew 24:30
    And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory

    Are not aware of TV news reports?

  • Vanderhoven7

    Thanks Stillin

    For the years applied to the 7 times in Daniel 4, I believe JWs refer to Revelation to show what times mean.

    Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

    Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

    31/2 times (42 months) = 1260 days

    1 time = 360 days

    1 month = 30 days

    Therefore 7 times (84 months) = 2520 (360 day years)

  • Vanderhoven7


    Two excellent logical contradictions. Thank you.

  • UnshackleTheChains

    You are not allowed to celebrate a joyous occasion such the anniversary date of your child's birth (birthdays).

    Yet no where in the Bible does it prohibit birthdays, not even in mosaic law.

    Yet we can celebrate wedding anniversaries and wear our pagan wedding bands?

  • jp1692
    Claim that the wild beast of Revelation is the United Nations...yet the WT joins and supports them for 10 years so that they can get a library card.

    That’s not illogical, it’s hypocritical.

    But that’s okay because it was this particular hypocritical act on the part of the WT leadership that started waking me up to the fact that JWs are a cult.

  • Vanderhoven7

    JP Thanks... perhaps it's both.😉

  • nowwhat?

    "Gods kingdom is the only solution to mankind's problems!"- but the solution really is to eliminate the problem of mankind! If you eliminate 99.9% of people you eliminate crime, poverty, injustice, disease etc.

  • Vanderhoven7

    Thanks Nowwhat? Good one.

    Although it's logical that if you kill everybody you eliminate crime and disease, but if you only wipe out 99.9% of mankind, there are no guarantees.

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