White House warns Americans of casualties

by William Penwell 31 Replies latest social current

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek
    you fail to realize that there is always good a REASON for terrorism. what bush does is not eliminating that reason but enhancing it (but that is probably what he wants anyway).

    Realist, you're right. Terrorists will always find a reason. Cowering and capitulating to their demands won't remove their reason, it will just teach them - and the rest of the rest of the world - that terrorism works. Refusing to take action because of fear of terrorist reataliation means the terrorists have already won.

  • Realist
    Realist

    dubla,

    yes there is a reason for 9/11 ! you may not like it but thats the way it is.

    you think people just love to blow themselfs up? i tell you something...one needs a reason to do that.

    if the US and israel would not opress the middle east than the arabs would not hate america. its that plane and simple. violence will always create new violoence and will not cause peace. only justice can create peace....and the arabs didn'T have a lot of justice from the west so far.

  • dubla
    dubla
    yes there is a reason for 9/11 ! you may not like it but thats the way it is.

    i know there is a reson for 9/11....there is a reason for any terrorist attack. what i dont think, is that anyone has a good reason to target 20,000 civilians, as you do. there will always be a reason, as derek said, but not all of us justify it the way you do. your view on this truly makes me sick.

    aa

  • Gamaliel
    Gamaliel

    funkyderek

    Realist, you're right. Terrorists will always find a reason. Cowering and capitulating to their demands won't remove their reason, it will just teach them - and the rest of the rest of the world - that terrorism works. Refusing to take action because of fear of terrorist reataliation means the terrorists have already won.

    It's a tough call. It's easy to say terrorists will ALWAYS find a reason, but I think all of us know deep down why the terrorists have NEVER found a reason to target Norway or Mexico or a hundred other countries. I am not against war, when the reasons are right. And I am registered as a Republican as of Clinton's second term. (He was a traitorous scoundrel, imho.) But, now I'm ashamed of our biggest coward, our President* Bush.

    President* Bush has refused to take action against terrorism. When he is shown plain, accepted evidence that almost all terrorists who hit us on 9/11 were Saudis, he goes to Afghanistan. He says he will stop at nothing before getting an "exPat" Saudi terrorist ring-leader and his network. Then in spite of all his empty promises and bravado, he's afraid --scared-- of following through. He warned us that it might be slow going and it won't always look like he's making much progress, but he's too afraid of that perception now when it comes down to following up on al-Qaeda.

    Some people, even on this board, claim he had evidence he didn't show to the US and the UN about Iraq when he said he would come up with some. If he wasn't lying, then he must have been afraid to show it. Americans were embarrassed! After all this time, he can't even make up any convincing evidence about Iraq and al-Qaeda, but he repeated his non-sense often enough so that a Gallup poll showed that nearly 40% of Americans thought most 9/11 terrorists were from Iraq. I used to think, "does Bush really think that enough Americans are that stupid?" and now I wonder about all of us. I apologize for the insult, but I think sometimes that there might be people on this board who believe that Saddam has links to al-Qaeda.

    So now President* Bush has another chance to go after the country that harbored most of the terrorists. He is still a coward! He is afraid to even mention in public that the Saudis are anything but one of our closest friends in the Mid-East. (Strangely he also said that about Turkey, the genocide-prone country we'll forgive in advance.)

    Why does Bush give in to these countries that harbor terrorists? He is scared to death of Saudi economic retaliation. The pro-attack people on this board should be quick to point out that just because the terrorists came from a certain country, it does not make that country at fault. So if that's true, why attack Afghanistan? Why attack Iraq?

    And speaking of cowardice, why was Bush so afraid of the UN inspection? He made it obvious to the many in the world that he was afraid they would not be able to show what he had already claimed our "Intelligence" could prove, but didn't. So he had to stop it because he was afraid they would embarrass him.

    I feel terrible for both the American and Iraqi soldiers, many of whom are no doubt are convinced they are doing the right thing. Too bad they are both working for cowards!

    Gamaliel

  • Realist
    Realist

    oh please...

    how come only dead US civilians are a tragedy however dead iraqis, panamese, germans, japanese, palestinians, vietnamese, koreans, afghani etc. are colateral damage? you mean just because the murderer is wearing a US uniform makes it better?

    if someone looses his family or is forced to live in utter poverty because of US (=israeli) actions than i would say he has a good reason to make a "terrorist" attack.

  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha
    if someone looses his family or is forced to live in utter poverty because of US (=israeli) actions than i would say he has a good reason to make a "terrorist" attack.

    There is NEVER a good reason for a terrorist attack. There MAY be at times good reasons for attacking those higher in power, however, by other means (including armed uprisings).

    "What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. " -Thomas Jefferson

    Try not to mistake a terrorist for a freedom fighter, thouhgh. The two are distinct.

  • dubla
    dubla
    how come only dead US civilians are a tragedy however dead iraqis, panamese, germans, japanese, palestinians, vietnamese, koreans, afghani etc. are colateral damage? you mean just because the murderer is wearing a US uniform makes it better?

    it has nothing to do with the uniform they are wearing. it has to do with the difference between targeting civilians and targeting military personnel during a military conflict. the fact that civilian lives are lost during a war doesnt justify targeting the men and women sitting at their desks getting ready to start their work day. ill never bow to this sick logic.

    if someone looses his family or is forced to live in utter poverty because of US (=israeli) actions than i would say he has a good reason to make a "terrorist" attack.

    i realize you think it gives them a good reason, which is why i think your view is disgusting. you remind me of the men, women, and children that were cheering as the twin towers crumbled. its sick and pathetic.

    aa

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    I am afraid that Bush has set off a chain of events that may not be stopped tell millions of people are dead. I agree it is the religious fanaticism that is the root of hatred on both sides. The Arabs feel that is there "holy land" but so do the Jews. Like I said before, let the Jews fight their own battles.

    Will

  • Realist
    Realist

    dubla,

    have you heard of the fact that the US was targeting civilians in WWII, the korean war, vietnam, etc.? not accidentially but willingly!

    now let me ask you this...if your wive and your children were killed by arabs would you want to go to war and kill them? i can tell you most people would. would you jump into a B-52 and drop bombs on baghdad? again most people would. so don't give me this moral speech!

    i am not at all justifying the killing of innocent civilians but i can understand why it happens.

  • dubla
    dubla
    now let me ask you this...if your wive and your children were killed by arabs would you want to go to war and kill them?

    if my wife and children were killed by "arabs", and i could get to the bottom of who exactly was behind it, then yes i would want justice to be served. would i want to go to war with their country and target their wives and children? no i would not. you can give me all this "most people would" crap, but im not part of the group you speak of. just because this is your opinion of "most people", you cant simply lump me into some generalized group.

    i am not at all justifying the killing of innocent civilians but i can understand why it happens.

    understanding why and saying they have a "good" reason are two different things. if you are going to come on here and tell us all that there are always "good" reasons for terrorists to slaughter civilians, then yes, you are indeed justifying the attacks, and you are justifying 9/11. you might as well have been cheering along with them.

    aa

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