New Study: Mars Once Was Completely Covered in Oceans

by Sea Breeze 26 Replies latest jw friends

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    There are no institutions that are not of man, is what I've come to realize.

    Really? How did you come to realize that? Surely, you have heard about a man who claimed to be God and stated publically that he would be murdered and that he would raise himself from the dead.... while he was dead. Then he did it.

    You are more likely than not going to be celebrating his birthday here in a few days along with several billion other people on the planet.

    What is it about resurrecting oneself from the dead that is insufficient for you to trust him?

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe says the earth was blown up by an alien superior race. Why doubt it when exploding planets and stars have been observed by scientists. You must have an ulterior motive for doubting!

  • TonusOH
    TonusOH

    SeaBreeze: Really? How did you come to realize that?

    Ultimately, it was these steps:

    1. The 'evidence/argument' for god's existence amounts to a bunch of flawed concepts that only serve to get us as far as 'god has to exist.' If we ignore the flaws in those ideas and accept them at face value, we get as far as recognizing that a god is necessary. WHO that god is, we cannot determine through this approach.

    2. The way gods are described, it's entirely possible that they are undetectable if they choose to be so. Thus, we cannot disprove god. However, we can reasonably dismiss certain gods if they do not make sense. Everyone does this, even theists. No one worships every god, after all.

    3. A being of immeasurable power and knowledge, of perfect wisdom, who personifies love and kindness, who is the epitome of justice and mercy, who declares his desire for all of humanity to be saved and serve in heaven... and who then explains that the road to salvation is long and narrow and that few will ever achieve it... he cannot exist. The notion that such a being would arbitrarily place obstacles for himself that would lead to an outcome in which his creation would suffer eternally makes absolutely no sense. It is the kind of action we would expect from someone suffering from self-loathing, or who is an idiot. Neither of those are how god is described.

    This cannot be reconciled. Men have tried for centuries and there is yet to be an explanation for it that makes any sense. Yahweh --as defined by those who believe in him-- is impossible. Perhaps the above problem could be explained in some way, though that would just leave myriad other problems with the Bible, which itself is another reason to dismiss it as being true.

  • enoughisenough
    enoughisenough

    Just for fun: Mars was covered with oceans and God dumped it all onto the earth to create the flood of Noah's time. ( prove me wrong! )

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Damn, why didn’t Darren Aronofsky use that? It would’ve looked so cool.

    😎

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    @TonusOH

    What is it about resurrecting oneself from the dead that is insufficient for you to trust him?

    It's a fair and simple enough question. What do you think?

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    @ Vidiot

    SeaBreeze is one of those rare XJWs who are still Biblical literalists.

    To the contrary. I fully intended in never stepping foot in any church again after I left the WT and attended university. Learned how to be able to spot deception, indoctrination, inconsistencies and irrationality a little bit better than before, especially my own. Still a work in progress.

  • TonusOH
    TonusOH

    SeaBreeze: What is it about resurrecting oneself from the dead that is insufficient for you to trust him?

    The fact that there is no evidence that he resurrected himself. There isn't even evidence that this individual was anything other than a regular human being. We cannot even be certain that he existed at all.

  • enoughisenough
    enoughisenough

    SeaBreeze "what about resurrecting himself"? He didn't. Acts 2:32 says God resurrected him.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    SeaBreeze Acts 2:32 says God resurrected him.

    @enoughisenough - Exactly, that is how he did it. In John 2: 19 Jesus predicted that he would provide a sign to the Jews so dramatic, that only God could do it. It was a feat that no one has ever before or since duplicated. In John 10: 17-18 Jesus predicts that he would perform the same feat, although for slightly different reasons.

    The fact that there is no evidence that he resurrected himself.

    @TonusOH - Just pretend that there was evidence for a moment; do you think you would trust Jesus with your eternity? In other words, would a self-resurrection from the dead be enough of a demonstration for you to trust him?

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