Frightening news brings Armageddon blues

by Derrick 17 Replies latest jw friends

  • larc

    tdogg, I almost spewed my beverage out of my mouth onto my key board, when I read your solution. Duct tape up your house? What foolishness. Houses are porous enough that there is no way to keep out biological and chemical weapons. I say, stock on your best food, snacks and drinks and have a real nice going away party.

  • hillary_step


    The world is indeed in a precarious state for many reasons. George Bush and his enclave of Born Again Crustacean's certainly has not helped matters. Personally I believe that the ecological threat and the earths diminishing resources is a far more serious threat than provocative propaganda from both sides of this melee, but then who am I.

    However, as to whether things are about to culminate in an Armaggedon, I have my doubts but I have lived long enough not to rule out anything, not even O.J Simpson as Minister Of Crime or El Cid as Speaker Of The House. It could be of course that the Preterist / Partial preterist view of when Armaggedon occurred is correct and that it was an exclusively C1st event. One thing is for sure, we have little control over these world events and the world has seen far more devastating times, both ecologically and socially.

    Something that can be relied on, and that is that nature will win. It always has.

    Best regards Derrick - HS

  • kril

    Anyone here see "Bowling For Columbine"? It deals with among other things, the paranoia shoveled out by the media.
    Check it out...

  • startingover

    I got this from a friend sometime after 9-11. It all makes sense to me. I have been hearing the Armageddon thing my whole life along with alot of other propaganda. I guess my days of believing that are over.

    Since the media has decided to scare everyone with predictions of chemical, biological, or nuclear warfare on our turf I decided to write a paper and keep things in their proper perspective. I am a retired military weapons, munitions, and training expert.

    Lesson number one: In the mid 1990's there were a series of nerve gas attacks on crowded Japanese subway stations. Given perfect conditions for an attack less than 10% of the people there were injured (the injured were better in a few hours) and only one percent of the injured died. 60 Minutes once had a fellow telling us that one drop of nerve gas could kill a thousand people, well he didn't tell you the thousand dead people per drop was theoretical. Drill Sergeants exaggerate how terrible this stuff was to keep the recruits awake in class (I know this because I was a Drill Sergeant too). Forget everything you've ever seen on TV, in the movies, or read in a novel about this stuff, it was all
    a lie (read this sentence again out loud!). These weapons are about terror, if you remain calm, you will probably not die. This is far less scary than themedia and their "Experts" make it sound.

    Chemical weapons are categorized as Nerve, Blood, Blister, and Incapacitating agents. Contrary to the hype of reporters and politicians they are not weapons of mass destruction. Instead, they are "Area denial" and terror weapons that don't destroy anything. When you leave the area you almost always leave the risk. That's the difference; you can leave the area and the risk; soldiers may have to stay put and sit through it and that's why they need all that spiffy gear.

    These are not gasses, they are vapors and/or air borne particles. The agent must be delivered in sufficient quantity to kill/injure, and that defines when/how it's used. Every day we have a morning and evening inversion where "stuff" suspended in the air gets pushed down. This inversion is why allergies (pollen) and air pollution are worst at these
    times of the day. So, a chemical attack will have it's best effect an hour of so either side of sunrise/sunset.
    Also, being vapors and airborne particles they are heavier than air so they will seek low places like ditches, basements and underground garages. This stuff won't work when it's freezing, it doesn't last when it's hot, and wind spreads it too thin - too fast. They've got to get this stuff on you, or, get you to inhale it for it to work. They also have to get the concentration of chemicals high enough to kill or wound you. Too little and it's nothing, too much and it's wasted.

    What I hope you've gathered by this point is that a chemical weapons attack that kills a lot of people is incredibly hard to do with military grade agents and equipment so you can imagine how hard it will befor terrorists. The more you know about this stuff the more you realize how hard it is to use.

    We'll start by talking about nerve agents. You have these in your house, plain old bug killer (like Raid) is nerve agent. All nerve agents work the same way; they are cholinesterase inhibitors that mess up the signals your nervous system uses to make your body function. It can harm you if you get it on your skin but it works best if they can get you to inhale it. If you don't die in the first minute and you can leave the area you're probably gonna live. The military's antidote for all nerve agents is atropine and pralidoxime chloride. Neither one of these does anything to cure the nerve agent, they send your body into overdrive to keep you alive for five minutes, after that the agent is used up. Your best protection is fresh air and staying calm. Listed below are the symptoms for nerve agent poisoning.

    Sudden headache, Dimness of vision (someone you're looking at will have pinpointed pupils), Runny nose, Excessive saliva or drooling, Difficulty breathing, Tightness in chest, Nausea, Stomach cramps, Twitching of exposed skin where a liquid just got on you.

    If you are in public and you start experiencing these symptoms, first ask yourself, did anything out of the ordinary just happen, a loud pop, did someone spray something on the crowd? Are other people getting sick too?

    Is there an odor of new mown hay, green corn, something fruity, or camphor where it shouldn't be?

    If the answer is yes, then calmly (if you panic you breathe faster and inhale more air/poison) leave the area and head up wind, or, outside.

    Fresh air is the best 'right now antidote". If you have a blob of liquid that looks like molasses or Kayro syrup on you; blot it or scrape it off and away from yourself with anything disposable. This stuff works based on your body weight, what a crop duster uses to kill bugs won't hurt you unless you stand there and breathe it in real deep, then lick the residue off the ground for while. Remember they have to do all the work, they have to get the concentration up and keep it up for several minutes while all you have to do is quit getting it on you/quit breathing it by putting space
    between you and the attack.

    Blood agents are cyanide or arsine which effect your blood's ability to provide oxygen to your tissue. The scenario for attack would be the same as nerve agent. Look for a pop or someone splashing/spraying something and folks around there getting woozy/falling down. The telltale smells are bitter almonds or garlic where it shouldn't be. The symptoms are blue lips, blue under the fingernails rapid breathing. The military's antidote is amyl nitride and just like nerve
    agent antidote it just keeps your body working for five minutes till the toxins are used up. Fresh air is the your best individual chance.

    Blister agents (distilled mustard) are so nasty that nobody wants to even handle it let alone use it. It's almost impossible to handle safely and may have delayed effect of up to 12 hours. The attack scenario is also limited to the things you'd see from other chemicals. If you do get large, painful blisters for no apparent reason, don't pop them, if you must, don't let the liquid from the blister get on any other area, the stuff just keeps on spreading. It's just as likely to
    harm the user as the target. Soap, water, sunshine, and fresh air are this stuff's enemy.

    Bottom line on chemical weapons (it's the same if they use industrial chemical spills); they are intended to make you panic, to terrorize you, to herd you like sheep to the wolves. If there is an attack, leave the area and go upwind, or to the sides of the wind stream. They have to get the stuff to you, and on you. You're more likely to be hurt by a drunk driver on any given day than be hurt by one of these attacks. Your odds get better if you leave the area. Soap, water, time, and fresh air really deal this stuff a knock-out-punch. Don't let fear of an isolated attack rule your life. The odds are really on your side.

    Nuclear bombs. These are the only weapons of mass destruction on earth. The effects of a nuclear bomb are heat, blast, EMP, and radiation. If you see a bright flash of light like the sun, where the sun isn't, fall to the ground! The heat will be over a second. Then there will be two blast waves, one out going, and one on it's way back. Don't stand up to see what happened after the first wave; anything that's going to happen will have happened in two full minutes.

    These will be low yield devices and will not level whole cities. If you live through the heat, blast, and initial burst of radiation, you'll probably live for a very very long time. Radiation will not create fifty-foot tall women, or giant ants and grasshoppers the size of tanks. These will be at the most 1 kiloton bombs; that's the equivalent of 1,000 tons of TNT.

    Here's the real deal, flying debris and radiation will kill a lot of exposed (not all)! People within a half mile of the blast. Under perfect conditions this is about a half-mile circle of death and destruction, but, when it's done it's done. EMP stands for Electro Magnetic Pulse and it will fry every electronic device for a good distance, it's impossible to say what and how far but probably not over a couple of miles from ground zero is a good guess. Cars, cell phones, computers, ATMs, you name it, all will be out of order. There are lots of kinds of radiation, you only need to worry about three, the others you have lived with for years. You need to worry about "Ionizing radiation", these are little sub atomic particles that go whizzing along at the speed of light. They hit individual cells in your body, kill the nucleus and keep on going. That's how you get radiation poisoning, you have so many dead cells in your body that the decaying cells poison you. It's the same as people getting radiation treatments for cancer, only a bigger area gets radiated. The good news is you
    don't have to just sit there and take it, and there's lots you can do rather than panic. First; your skin will stop alpha particles, a page of a newspaper or your clothing will stop beta particles, you just gotta try and avoid inhaling dust that's contaminated with atoms that are emitting these things and you'll be generally safe from them.

    Gamma rays are particles that travel like rays (Quantum physics makes my brain hurt) and they create the same damage as alpha and beta particles only they keep going and kill lots of cells as they go all the way through your body. It takes a lot to stop these things, lots of dense material, on the other hand it takes a lot of this to kill you.

    Your defense is as always to not panic. Basic hygiene and normal preparation are your friends. All canned or frozen food is safe to eat. The radiation poisoning will not effect plants so fruits and vegetables are OK if there's no dust on em (rinse em off if there is). If you don't have running water and you need to collect rainwater or use water from wherever, just let it sit for thirty minutes and skim off the water gently from the top. The dust with the bad stuff in it will settle and the remaining water can be used for the toilet, which will still work if you have a bucket of water to pour in the tank.

    Finally there's biological warfare. There's not much to cover here. Basic personal hygiene and sanitation will take you further than a million doctors. Wash your hands often, don't share drinks, food, sloppy kisses, etc., ... with strangers. Keep your garbage can with a tight lid on it, don't have standing water (like old buckets, ditches, or kiddies pools) laying
    around to allow mosquitoes breeding room. This stuff is carried by vectors, that is bugs, rodents, and contaminated material. If biological warfare is so easy as the TV makes it sound, why has Saddam Hussein spent twenty years, millions, and millions of dollars trying to get it right? If you're clean of person and home you eat well and are active you're gonna live.

    Overall preparation for any terrorist attack is the same as you'd take for a big storm. If you want a gas mask, fine, go get one. I know this stuff and I'm not getting one and I told my Mom not to bother with one either (how's that for confidence). We have a week's worth of cash, several days worth of canned goods and plenty of soap and water. We don't leave stuff out to attract bugs or rodents so we don't have them. These people can't conceive a nation this big with this much resources. These weapons are made to cause panic, terror, and to demoralize. If we don't run around like sheep they won't use this stuff after they find out it's no fun. The government is going nuts over this stuff because
    they have to protect every inch of America. You've only gotta protect yourself, and by doing that, you help the country.

    Finally, there are millions of caveats to everything I wrote here and you can think up specific scenarios where my advice isn't the best. This letter is supposed to help the greatest number of people under the greatest number of situations. If you don't like my work, don't nit pick, just sit down and explain chemical, nuclear, and biological warfare in a document around three pages long yourself. This is how we the people of the United States can rob these people of their most desired goal, your terror.

    SFC Red Thomas (Ret)
    Armor Master Gunner
    Mesa, AZ
    Unlimited reproduction and distribution is authorized.
    Just give me credit for my work, and, keep in context.
    Pass it on . . . You will be doing your friends a favor!

  • Derrick

    Hello startingover, thanks for sharing this excellent disseration by SFC Red Thomas (Ret), Armor Master Gunner out of Mesa, AZ, and thanks to him for sharing this information. It's absolutely remarkable how this kind of information that dispells myths about biological, chemical and atomic warfare can liberate your irrational fears. I had no idea that much of the hoopla about these agents of warefare is false information intended to manipulate large populations of people and herd them like massive flocks of fearsome sheep. It also makes sense considering that the enemy who dispatches these methods of warfare are often the greatest cowards of all when it comes to tolerating real pain and suffering; thus, the terrorists are very careful not to unleash weapons that will boomerang on them.

    There was mention about 1975 being the start of the Great Tribulation. Coincidentally, I have heard some of the elders and a Circuit Overseer claim the Society holds an unpublished view that 1975, and not 1914, is the start of the GT. (Originally they believed 1914 was the start of the GT and that 1975 would usher in the millennium under Christ's rulership after Armageddon; now they have dropped 1914 and bumped up the GT to 1975 even though the official stance is still that the GT will occur sometime in the near future.) The long and short of it is that there seems to be a lot of confusion as some have pointed out as to how the current chain of events coincides with the "harlot" getting stripped naked and essentially gang raped by the nations and Jehovah's Witnesses facing the final test of faith in vindication of Jehovah's universal sovereignty. I've been "in the truth" since my baptism in the mid-1970's and never believed the time would come when the Watchtower Society became an NGO member of the United Nations (circa 1990) and would eventually reform.


  • JT
    According to them........the political beast is to turn on religion and dash them to pieces, Peace and Security" must be cried out by the beast, Then the beast turns on Jehovah's people and he reacts as if they touched his eye.

    excellent point, the jw have always described in great detail as to how event will unfold and the cry of peace and security MUST TAKE PLACE AND THE way things look that ain't about to happen no time soon

    when you consider each bad events leads jw to annouce THE END IS NEAR IS ALMOST A JOKE

    WWI- WWII - Korean, Oil shortage in 73- 1986 INTERNATION YEAR OF PEACE- go back and read the wt articles during 85/86 on issue-

    9/11 was viewed by ALL BETHELITES AS THE START OF THE END and now this-

    bottom line is this, even if the nations start a worldwide nuclear war it will not end with jw sitting under some fig tree, instead they will be just like the rest of us- RUNNING AROUND LOOKING FOR FUEL, WATER, ETC sorta like a MAD MAX MOVIE WITH TINA TURNER

  • mustang

    Kudo's to the "Spec" for some clear thinking and real information on the whole matter.

    A crop-duster buddy of mine had a hose spring a leak. It filled his cockpit with Malathion (or the Para, whichever is the deadlier, I don't remember). His last conscious act was to land the plane on a USAF reservation. He couldn't reach his kit and jab the needles before he passed out. He got arrested by the Air Police, on purpose.

    Like the "Spec" sez, this stuff is a contact poison and must get on you. My friend was swimming in it. And contact with him poisoned his rescuers. He woke up in a hospital bed, but he and the USAF Captain that pulled him out survived. If they can do it, so can you.

    Like the man said: do the drills. These guys have it down to a science; it is best to get educated with the counter-measures.

    BTW, notice how worthless the media is!!!!


  • Erich

    JT wrote: even if the nations start a worldwide nuclear war it will not end with jw sitting under some fig tree...<

    You cannot deny that such a war would mean Armageddon - can you? The outcome of such a war may not satisfy WTS. Maybe many JW`s would die; and other people, never expected to leave alive, would survive.... The bible tells, that armageddon is not OUR war, and we cannot determine our own survive. Also, the WTS cannot. Regardless of the final outcome, the survivers have to accept the facts; and they WILL GO TO INSTALL THE NEW WORLD ORDER as prophesied in the bible. With or without the WTS? Nobody knows it actually. That is depending on being found as "the true slave" or "the evil slave", and this question will be answered in the very last days; not yet.


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