The Garden of Eden
If one assumes that the bible is true, (not saying that it is) then a really big question arises.
Eve was in the garden, minding her own business and a snake decieves her into eating from a tree that God had said not to eat from.
She then goes to Adam and says that the snake said it was good to eat so I ate it, you try it.
This just doesnt wash. For starters, the first thing Eve would really have said is "Adam, come check this out, its a talking snake."
And even if SHE didnt, HE would have said "What, a talking snake, THIS I gotta see"
Only women are stupid enough to listen to talking snakes......but then again Adam was stupid enough to follow her.
somewhere in the future, there may be talking stones. That is anticipated, if the preaching work grinds to a stop, prematurely. This could happen if KM's are late.
And get this. Then the bloody snakes legs fall off. HAHAHAHAHAHA
"But it does move"
Ah, now I know of fair Eve's plight
Of the toil and turmoil in her troubled mind
Of how when she first upon that fruit cast her eye
And dared to long for what was denied
What a price fair Eve paid for that which she sought
To know good and bad with her life the answer she bought
And in the end what she did receive or so thought
Of no avail proved to be for all came to naught
But would she have longed for and craved to bite
That fair fruit so round, so red, so bright
Had that succulent morsel to her been not denied
And that to eat of it had been her right
Had she waited for that fateful fruit to fall
Perhaps she would not have sinned at all
And so prompt God on her to call
And pronounce the sentence that condemned us all
How that one act of desire did bring her pain
And how great the lost she could never regain
Of life eternal under God's reign
Condemned to a life of anguish and pain
Gone was the garden bathed in God's light
Where the scent of jasmine clothed the night
Of singing birds, the morning's delight
Never to be recalled, try as she might
Gone the music of heaven's wind in the trees
Lost forever worry less peace
And with these, sweet innocence
All gone in a moment so fleet
Ah, sweet Eve, mother of us all
I wish I could upon your essence call
And ask of you and you would tell
Of that moment of that great fall
Yes, I would solemnly ask of you
Knowing full well what you were about to do
Of the consequences that would befall you
Still your heart's desire you did pursue
An act for which you would be reviled
For all eternity mankind would you deride
And foolish you would remain in their eyes
For an act so brash, so wicked, so vile
Yet I see you not as foolish or vain
Not after wanton, selfish gain
But bent on what you must attain
Then bear in silence your pain
For what was done and then called sin
Though the story of that fabled garden
Speaks of only you and Adam
There must have dwelt therein
Yet one more though unnamed
Who somehow to your heart lay claim
For what woman would bear such pain
For anything less to gain
So with the love your heart was smitten
And in the quiet corners of that garden
You did meet, in corridors well hidden
And consummated your love, the thing forbidden.
What became of him we shall never know
Of how he came or means by which he had to go
Banished to some deep, dark, bottomless hold
Or sentenced to the eternal pits far below
Banished forever by the eternal powers divine
Forced to flee and to leave behind
The woman for whom his heart would forever pine
For he, too, relinquished the garden divine
Ah, so much lost for a moment so fleet
Two lives forever changed when they chanced to meet
But what fires burned in that instant so sweet
And with it thereby made mind and heart replete
And so now, fair Eve, I would ask of you
For all the years of anguish that did befall you
For that one taste of love, wild, free, and true
Given the chance again, fair lady, what would you do?
--And now you know the whole story!
-Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-
THey were brand new, what did they know? They knew God Created the whole world. If the world had been created by God, how easy would a talking snake be? Did Adam and Eve speak Hebrew?
There is more of heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosphy, Horatio
Dickens A Tale of Two Cities
There are more things in heaven and earth,Horatio,Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." --Shakespeare's Hamlet
-Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-
dude for as interesesting a post as you may start what is up with this reply?
I have no choice but to bring out my nad busters,
They were brand new, what did they know?. . .Did Adam and Eve speak Hebrew?
if you want to take the account as true, Adam lived in Eden for several years before Eve came along, so he KNEW that animals did not speak,
regardless what language it was. . .
Never Mock the Name by Which
Another Man Knows His God; For If You Do It In Allah, You Will Do it In Adonai---
Old Hebrew Saying
as to para-phrase Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting: I hope you like apples.
According to the Talmud, Adam's first wife was Lilith. Yahweh created them both at the same time. She refused to subordinate herself in any way to either Adam or god, so she quarreled and disappeared.
Adam made an appeal which caused Yahweh to send 3 angels to find her, Senoi, Sansenoi and Samangloph.
They found her on the shores of the Red Sea, having sex with demons and producing demonic children called Lilims, at the rate of over a hundred a day. She was told that she would lose a hundred children a day if she did not return to Adam, she refused. So the angels attempted to drown her yet were unsuccesful. She was allowed to live on the condition that she would not harm any child who had an angels' name written on it. Later she was given to Samael by Yahweh as his first of four wives.
According to the Zohar, Lilith later took part in the fall seducing Adam while Satan/Samael seduced Eve.
Lilith which was an older concept than Eve, was unacceptable to the emerging Hebrew patriarchism, for she was an equal of man. The Talmud grimly sums up the type of woman that patriarchy needed:
the lord considered from what part of the man he should form woman;
not from the head, lest she should be proud;
not from the eyes, lest she should wish to see everything;
not from the mouth, lest she might be talkative;
not from the ear, lest she should wish to hear everything;
nor from the heart, lest she should be jealous;
nor from the hand, lest she should wish to find out everything;
nor from the feet, in order that she might not be a wanderer;
only from the most hidden place, that is covered even when a man is naked---namely, the rib.
even her name reflects her status:
'she shall be called woman'(hebrew, isha) 'because she was taken out of man(ish)Gen.2:23
subordinate, obedient, excluded from any position of power, and her sexuality confined to procreation. . .
Somehow even this modified being could not be tamed, for she rebeled and refused to be told what fruit she could eat.
Lilith, sums up the archtypical seductress, the personification of the 'dark side' of the feminine, which allures and repels the patriarchal mind.
Lilith was the mother of all the living. . .
how do you like them apples?