Will the GB now accept Higher Learning???

by 7Starz 14 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • 7Starz
    7Starz

    Reported in many news outlets today including the Wall Street Journal:  President Obama is pushing for the first two years of a community college to be included in the normal education of the country's children.  The education law currently has a free education from K-12 and Obama now wants to include a 2 year community college degree for free (well the tax payers will pick up the tab).  So basically K-12 and a 2 year college associates degree.

     If this becomes law, will the GB change their view on higher education and say:

    1) Well, since it's free there is nothing wrong with it, just don't go for any more than the 2 years

    2) Still no higher learning even though the first two years are free and you have to pass this up.

    Just wondering what your thoughts are on this. 

  • pixel
    pixel

    Nah, they will say: "You see? Mr. P came out with this idea from the devil to oppose TOMOIII's January programming".

    Or they will say the end is near.

  • 7Starz
    7Starz
    Yes pixel - you're probably right.  Always a way to spin it.
  • bohm
    bohm
    This will sadly not pass for many years and is IMO mostly a political tool to be used in the coming election ("see, the republicans are against free community college for the less privileged"). At that time who knows? With new members at the GB, who knows where they want to take the watchtower. My guess is they will eventually soften on higher education and become more like the Mormons. 
  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    If this becomes law, will the GB change their view on higher education and say:

    Of course not, unless that continuing education involves construction trades, useful skills the WTS can use to build Kingdom Halls or other facilities owned and used by the WTS.

    Universities and higher education will still be demeaned as spiritual dangerous avocations for JWS members. 

     As a recent GB member Gerrit Locsh said, " Pursuing higher education is like holding a gun to your head.

     

     

  • mynameislame
    mynameislame

    If passed it would require 8 hours of community service per a semester or class, I forget which.

    Lets hope the government picks the community service and not the JW.

  • tidalblitz
    tidalblitz
    I doubt that they would change their education stance soon after condemning it so heartily. Depending on where you live, higher education is a practical necessity. Where I'm from, you can't even get in the door of a good company without a degree or lots of experience. So for young adults, without that degree, you're stuck working a low wage job. I wonder if the free 2 year community college would apply to adults who never completed a degree? If it goes through I wouldn't mind taking advantage of this myself!
  • _Morpheus
    _Morpheus
    I can see none of you watch tony tightpants speech on gb tv.  He actually adressed this by saying "the cost of the education isnt the primary concern or concoderation. It is being emersed in the enviornment".  He also specifically noted that in america the first 12 years are required, beyond that it was optional and that was where parents had to make decisions.
  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    The Org has defined "higher education" as a four year, university degree.

    They are much more lenient to education at a community college which often allows the student to remain at home and continue with their spiritual regimen.  Universities, at least in the U.S., often have the student living in a dormitory environment as a requirement for at least the first year which can be detrimental to cult mind control.

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    There was a time when a person made it through a couple of grades just enough to learn reading, writing and arithmetic. Then an eight grade education was enough. Finally a High School education became the law of the land with some exceptions. The results were spectacular:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/upshot/the-roots-of-obamas-ambitious-college-plan.html?action=click&contentCollection=Education®ion=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article&abt=0002&abg=1

    "The roots of President Obama’s ambitious proposal for free community college can be found in a 2008 book by the economists Claudia Goldin and Lawrence Katz called “The Race Between Education and Technology.”

    The book, a combination of economics and history, tells the story of how the United States built the world’s most successful economy by building its most successful education system. At the heart of that system was the universal high school movement of the early 20th century, which turned the United States into the world’s most educated country. These educated high school graduates — white-collar and blue-collar alike — powered the prosperity of the 20th century, Ms. Goldin and Mr. Katz demonstrated.

    “The 20th century was the American century,” they wrote, “because it was the human-capital century.”


    From the New York Times 

    "The proposal would cover half-time and full-time students who maintain a 2.5 grade point average — about a C-plus — and who “make steady progress toward completing a program,” White House officials said. It would apply to colleges that offered credit toward a four-year degree or occupational-training programs that award degrees in high-demand fields. The federal government would cover three-quarters of the average cost of community college for those students, and states that choose to participate would cover the remainder. If all states participate, the administration estimates, the program could cover as many as nine million students, saving them each an average of $3,800 a year.

    The plan is modeled after Tennessee’s free community college program, called the Tennessee Promise, which will be available to students graduating high school this year. It has drawn 58,000 applicants, almost 90 percent of the state’s high school seniors, and more than twice as many as expected.

    The program has gone a long way toward making community college attainable for all students. In addition, the proportion of applicants who are African-American and Hispanic is higher than their proportion currently enrolled in Tennessee colleges. The program is backed by the state’s Republican governor, Bill Haslam, and largely financed from lottery funds.



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