Comments You Won't Hear at the 1-5-03 WT Study

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  • blondie
    blondie

    COMMENTS YOU WILL NOT YEAR AT THE 1-5-03 WT STUDY

    NOVEMBER 15, 2002 WT PAGE 14

    KEEP ON SERVING SHOULDER TO SHOULDER (OR WATCH OUT FOR THE APOSTATES)

    Zephaniah 3:9:

    Amplified Bible

    Zephaniah 3


    9 For then [changing their impure language] I will give to the people a clear and pure speech from pure lips, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve Him with one unanimous consent and one united shoulder [bearing the yoke of the Lord].

    English Standard Version

    Zephaniah 3


    9 "For at that time I will change the speech of the peoples
    to a pure speech,
    that all of them may call upon the name of the LORD
    and serve him with one accord.

    NIV

    Zephaniah 3
    9 Then will I purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him shoulder to shoulder.

    It helps to look a different Bible translations. Have you done that in your Bible study program? Try this website: http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible .

    He has made it possible for humans everywhere to learn and speak the one and only pure language.

    What are some words in the pure language? Weak, immature, disfellowshipped, disassociated, inactive, irregular.

    http://bookshelf.info/wordlists/e/eec/www/index.html

    HYPERGLOSSARY of American English Hacker THEOCRATESE

    inactive publisher

    Any {publisher} who has not reported field activity for a period of six or more consecutive months is considered inactive by the {Society}. Any person who fails to report is not counted as one of {Jehovah's Witnesses} in the numbers published by the Society. (Compare {active publisher} and {regular publisher}.)
    You too can speak the "pure language." But is this what the scripture means?

    The "pure language" is the truth of God found in his Word, the Bible.

    The truth as taught by the WTS.

    Especially is it the truth about Gods Kingdom.

    Yet in all four suggested introductions for the magazines in January 2003 Kingdom Ministry, not once is the word "kingdom" found. And where are the householders directed for their answers? The Bible? "This issue of The Watchtower gives a satisfying answer to that question." "This magazine explains how this will be accomplished." "This issue of The Watchtower discusses a time when all will have work that is rewarding." "This magazine shows what is behind such exploitation of children."

    Give some thought to the phrase "shoulder to shoulder." You can walk ahead or behind someone and be shoulder to shoulder. You have to consider that person an equal to walk right next to them.
    NO PLACE FOR PARTIALITY
    The Christian congregation is no place for partiality, cliques, or favortism.
    And how does the WTS prove this point?
    Regarding her visit (her first and last) to the Kingdom Hall, one college student said, "Usually, churches draw in members of a certain race or ethnic group."
    Good, so far.
    Jehovahs Witnesses were all sitting together and not in certain cliques."
    So all she has proved is that the cliques were not determined by a certain race or ethnic group.
    Now the WTS slips in an unrelated point but highlights what they are concerned about.
    Some members of the congregation in ancient Corinth were creating factions. By thus causing dissensions, they were opposing the operation of Gods holy spirit.
    If we were to foster cliques in the congregation, we would be working against the leadings of the spirit.
    This is what cliques are really all about in the congregation.

    w77 5/15 295 Do Not Despise the Man of Little Means
    Those of little means are an integral part of the congregation. Hence, they should not be made to feel that they are left out because some clique exists among certain ones. "Poor people" were among those whom Jesus recommended inviting to a feast as a demonstration of genuine hospitality.

    w61 5/15 299 Rejoicing in New World Associations
    And even in the New World society we find ourselves drawn to certain ones more than others, do we not? Certainly it is natural to seek the association of those with whom we feel readily at ease and whose companionship we find exhilarating and satisfying. But if we limit our association just to such ones whom we find easy to get along with, is that not giving in to self-interest? If we always associate with just the same ones when we are at the Kingdom Hall, would this not contribute to the making of cliques and divisions? Yes, we might find ourselves thoughtlessly making partial distinctions on the basis of what others are according to the flesh.Jas. 2:4.

    Impartialty has always been required of Christians. Some in the first-century congregation were showing favoritism toward wealthy individuals.

    Do people in the congregation try to "buy" the circuit and district overseers by buying them clothes, jewelry and giving them cash? Do those with money in the congregation tend to get more than their fair share of "privileges" when they do not scripturally qualify? Do those with money and prestige receive a different justice from the body of elders? What about Bethelites, missionaries, and members of the governing body and the "Nethinim"?

    KEEP FREE FROM MURMURING

    Faithless Israelites murmured against Moses and Aaron, and thus even Jehovah God.

    Translation: Complaints about the elders is like complaining about God.

    Murmuring is not just a complaint about some wrongdoing.

    What then?

    Persisent murmurers attach too much importance to their feelings or position, drawing attention to themselves rather than to God.

    Someone may criticize the way a certain elder handles his parts or cares for his duties. If we listen to the complainer, we may begin to think as he does. We may begin to complain about him too.

    Then complain to the right person. If he is always going overtime, tell the presiding overseer. But of course these arent the real complaints. It could be that this brother has molested your child, there has not been 2 witnesses, and now you are wondering how he can be used in the congregation.

    May lead to reviling, slanderously calling down evil on them can detrimentally affect our relationship.

    Remember the elders are "glorious ones."

    Granted, not all complaints are displeasing to God.

    Elders must not stop up their ears to legitimate (determined by elders) complaints.

    GUARD AGAINST SLANDER

    Since murmuring can lead to harmful gossip (yes there is good gossip), we must be careful what we say. Slander, though, is a false report intended to damage another persons reputation.

    If a Christian woman (like men dont gossip), finds that she has a weakness for the kind of talk that could lead to slander. Of course, Christian ment must also guard against harmful gossip.

    Now the elders sit around in their meetings and gossip and slander everyone in the congregation. Some call that discussing the spiritual qualifications of the sheep. No proof is required merely an elders assertion is the same as fact.

    I get the definite feeling that the apostates are creating problems. But how can that be? They are outside the congregation. Its those inside that are creating problems. Are the Indians getting restless?

    STOPJUDGING!

    Even if we do not slander anyone, we may have to make an earnest effort to avoid becoming judgmental.

    Of course elders, regular and auxiliary pioneers, elderettes, are not subject to this counsel.

    The rafter illustration is recalled to us. Is this like the thread on JWD about getting counsel from someone who is doing what they are counseling your for? Dont be materialistic, counsel from the brother with a big new house, 2 cars, and a boat.

    An honest appraisal of our own perfections ought to hold us back from making judgments that God would consider righteous.

    Has the governing body/COs/DOs/elders ever admitted their errors and apologized for them. Have they taken an honest appraisal of their imperfections? Not!

    FRAIL BUT HONORABLE

    We will not just avoid being judgmental. We will take the lead in showing them honor. We will seek their advantage not our own, and will joyfully perform humble tasks in their behalf.

    Have you finished vomited yet? Yes, they give us the privilege of cleaning the toilets and vacuuming the floors. Please sister, lets take your car, mine was just washed, or I forgot to get gas this morning, or yours is a junker anyway and wont be damaged doing rural territory, I dont want to run up the mileage on my new car. Lets schedule the meetings so we can get home in time for my favorite TV show; its too bad Sister Single Mother With 5 Children has to rush to get ready.

    Only by staying morally and spiritually pure can we remain an honorable vessel for Gods use.

    Of course, hiding child molesters in your midst does not affect the WTS moral and spiritual purity?!!

    CONTINUE SERVING SHOULD TO SHOULDER

    The Christian congregation is a familylike arrangement. (Dysfunctional family)

    There is a loving, helpful, and pleasant atmosphere in a family when all its members worship Jehovah.

    Really, that means if even one is not a worshipper, then it cant be loving! And it means if all are worshippers, there will be no abuse, verbal, emotional, or physical?! What a crock!

    The familylike Christian congregation is also a place where we rightly expect to find loyalty.

    Where is the loyalty when little children are not believed and told to shut up about their abuse? Where is the loyalty where "known" abusers are allowed to roam the congregation to find new prey?

    Would you want to serve shoulder to shoulder with a child molester?

    Translation for article: Quit reading the Internet, do not talk about what you read, even if it is true you will be found guilty of slander, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

    PICTURE ON PAGE 18

    People leaving Kingdom Hall

    Anomalies

    1. 2 brothers have on suitcoats/not matching trousers
    2. 1 sister has an ankle length tripping hem
    3. 8 brothers and 3 sisters are shown/the ratio is more like 8 sisters and 3 brothers
  • Documentarian
    Documentarian

    TORONTO INTERVIEW REQUEST FOR INDIVIDUALS TO SPEAK AGAINST JW BLOOD TRANSFUSION POLICY: I am the host and segment producer for the television program, 360 Vision on Vision Television Network. As part of the hour-long weekly program, I produce a segment called 'Double Vision', one that explores difficult ethical questions related to faith, and ultimately offers a balanced perspective and perhaps leads to the best and mutually beneficial middle ground. It is within this context that I am posting a message here. The segment I am currently producing asks the question: What happens when medical treatment collides with religious beliefs?

    Specifically, I am using the example of Jehovah's Witness' refusal of blood transfusions as part of medical treatment. To show a balanced perspective, I require an interview with an individual who feels this is not an appropriate request for a faith group to make of its members. Could someone please come forward or suggest a person (based in Toronto) who could speak on this matter? I intend for the interview to last no longer than 10 minutes in length, and hopefully to take place within the time frame of January 3 - 9th, 2003. Kind regards, Jelena Mihajlovic jmihajlovic@visiontv.ca 416. 368.3194 ext.504

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Great job, Blondie. I especially like your summary,

    Translation for article: Quit reading the Internet, do not talk about what you read, even if it is true you will be found guilty of slander, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

    Here are some of my notes:

    The WTS degrades Christendom. That sort of judging is considered fine. The WTS shuns any one who leaves the organization. That sort of judging is considered OK. Weak ones are considered poor association. That sort of judging is fine. Now, they quote Jesus,

    Stop Judging that you may not be judged.. It is no surprise that the organization has trouble teaching its members not to be judgemental.

    Reflecting on this week's article, I did a little parable on trust called Tabby and Jay. I hope you like it.

    Documentarian, you will get a better response if you post your own thread on Friends.

    Edited by - jgnat on 2 January 2003 21:44:28

  • musky
    musky
    It helps to look a different Bible translations. Have you done that in your Bible study program? Try this website: http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible .

    I couple times I actually took my NIV version to the hall. It was no small bible either. It was the larger leather bound. WOW, did I get some looks from people. Nobody really said anything, But I could tell that it was not setting right with people. I guess its NWT or nothing! Its strange that my mom had many different versions at home to study and compare. She did not care that I said I was bringing that NIV version. She just wanted me to be there.

    Any {publisher} who has not reported field activity for a period of six or more consecutive months is considered inactive by the {Society}. Any person who fails to report is not counted as one of {Jehovah's Witnesses} in the numbers published by the Society. (Compare {active publisher} and {regular publisher}.)

    Is it just the numbers that matter to the society? I seem to remember a time when the society said that if a bible study was not progressing to where one was attending meetings in 6 months, that the study should be dropped. I just cannot understand that. Can anyone verify this, or is it just my imagination?

    Thanks for your hard work Blondie.

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    Brotherhood, loyalty, shoulder to shoulder, BLAH BLAH BLAH.

    Loyalty is the buzzword for DO NOT SPEAK AGAINST THE ORG OR THE ELDERS, OR SUFFER THE PENALTY.

    What a crock. Again, the obsession on the part of the WT with the OT view of things, er I mean, the Hebrew Scriptures view of things. Again we hear of Miriam; tell me, WT, when someone was disagreeing with PAUL, writer of 13 epistles, what happened??? NOTHING. Paul knew that the brothers would hear the shepherds voice; it was not necessary to remind them of Miriam, AGAIN.

    We get it, already; you think we should be struck down, WT, for disagreeing. Well, tough luck.

    There is a whole body of people who have been set free from your control, your pharisaical obsession with rules and regulations, your constant micromanaging of our faith. I am sick of you being in the middle between my family, friends and their God; you are a false prophet if ever there was one. You harp constantly on things of no merit, and ignore the real Christian pursuits: building faith, relying on Jesus, charitable acts and giving, and giving a witness by our conduct and our demeanor, NOT by banging on their doors and shoving magazine after useless magazine down their throats. DO you think that THEY are staying away from the internet, do you imagine that they do not know that YOU have allowed CHILD MOLESTERS to walk among us and be protected???

    YOU have ruined a whole generation of good people; you have made us all dysfunctional; you have shipwrecked our faith. When will your seared consciences wake up? When are you going to tell us all that Russell and Rutherford were charlatans? When will you own up to the false chronology behind 607? When will you admit that 1914 means NOTHING in bible chronology? WHEN WHEN WHEN will you admit that you are wrong about blood, always have been and that you were criminal in not announcing changes in the policy?

    I cannot wait for the veil to fall, and the whole world will see what a vicious group of men you really are.

    THANKS TO BLONDIE for her continuing exposure of the mind control and manipulation behind the weekly WT study.

  • johnathanseagull
    johnathanseagull

    Documentarian,

    Whilst I would gladly furnish you with information, I think it's best to aprroach the following people. These people are good standing members within the Watchtower Society who believe the doctrine you are talking about is bibically incorrect.

    www.ajwrb.org

    Kind regards and I ask that you keep me/us in the loop as to your developments

    J Gull

    (email open)

  • peacelily
    peacelily

    Very well done, Blondie! Thank you
    PEACELILY

  • blondie
    blondie

    Documentarian, I hope you find someone who can meet your needs. I'm definitely not a candidate at this time.

    jgnat,

    It is no surprise that the organization has trouble teaching its members not to be judgemental.

    Another case of do as we say, not as we do. Rutherford really attacked the Catholic Church and was surprised that they fought back. It's like kicking the dog and complaining when it bites you. Yes, proof that JWs have God's blessing, being persecuted for attacking other religions.

    musky,

    Nobody really said anything.

    How could they when the WTS is always telling people at the door and Bible students, that it doesn't matter which Bible is used, they all have the truth.

    pistoff,

    You harp constantly on things of no merit, and ignore the real Christian pursuits: building faith, relying on Jesus, charitable acts and giving, and giving a witness by our conduct and our demeanor, NOT by banging on their doors and shoving magazine after useless magazine down their throats.

    And ain't that the truth. Because those in charge are men, don't hold your breath. Men as a group are not encouraged or rewarded for apologizing. It is considered a sign of weakness. And when men are in a charge of a group that claims to be perfect, holy, chosen out of all people, it compounds it, pistoff.

    I hope I can continue to offer some new and fresh insight. I certainly have enjoyed everyone's comments here today.

    peacelily, thanks for your encouragement. It gets harder and harder. Having been an abused child growing up, when I first started working with abused children, I took all their pain home with me. I am more balanced now. I am looking for that balance in reviewing these progandana pieces from the WTS.

    Blondie

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Blondie,

    Thanks for these regular reviews. I not only enjoy your comments but I cant get the Watchtower anymore. Its good to see what is happening in the study articles. Has anyone begun putting the WT online for us yet?

    Documentarian

    You probably need to repost this as an original thread, New Post. You may not get the attention this topic needs here.

    Or email me and I will give you some leads.

    Jst2laws

  • blondie
    blondie

    Thanks jst2laws. I personally feel there are many still trapped, knowing the WTS is twisting things but afraid to leave one's family. I have no family that matters nor anyone that I want to save. You have to come to the realization yourself.

    Blondie

    Morning has broken, like the first morning
    Blackbird has spoken, like the first bird
    Praise for the singing, praise for the morning
    Praise for the springing fresh from the world

    Sweet the rain's new fall, sunlit from heaven
    Like the first dewfall, on the first grass
    Praise for the sweetness of the wet garden
    Sprung in completeness where his feet pass

    Mine is the sunlight, mine is the morning
    Born of the one light, Eden saw play
    Praise with elation, praise every morning
    God's recreation of the new day

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