Brooklyn WTS responds to my request...

by happysunshine 10 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • happysunshine
    happysunshine

    I sent this fax:

    September 25, 2002

    Mailing Address:

    X

    Canada

    E-mail:

    [email protected]

    To whom it may concern

    As pertaining to instructions from the media relations/researchers department, I am submitting this written request for copies of reference material. I am a sociology student at the University of Victoria, completing a research project on the history of Jehovahs Witnesses and medicine. In the interest of accuracy, I would like to obtain photocopies of the following reference works directly from your archives:

    The Golden Age, Feb 4 1931 p. 293-4 The Sacredness of Human Blood

    Watchtower 1967 November 15 pp.702-4 Questions from Readers

    Watchtower 1980 March 15 p.31 Questions from Readers

    Please contact me if there is a charge for this service.

    Thanking you in advance-

    I waited 2 months with no response, giving up hope. Yesterday I got this e-mail:

    Dear X

    My name is Harry Lund. I have the materials you requested from the

    Watchtower plus some information that we supply to Health Care professionals

    in the Victoria area. I am a member of the local Hospital Liaison Committee

    of Jehovah's Winesses and coordinate any meetings with those interested in

    our religious stand on transfusion practises in medicine. I would be pleased

    to meet with you at your convenience. I live close to you on the other side

    of the Jubilee Hospital at 2660 Richmond Ave. Please contact me by phone at X or by email at X to arrange a time. I will be in a conference this weekend from 9 am to 4 pm on Sat and Sun. I work from 10 to 6:00 pm each day of the week.

    May I thank-you for this opportunity to explain our position accurately and

    first hand.

    yours sincerely

    Harry Lund

    PS There is no charge for this service. It is free and without any obligation.

    What should I do?

    A couple of ideas Ive had. Originally I just wanted to view the copies, but this may be an opportunity to have a full discussion. Or even better yet, I could turn this into a minor media event at the university by engaging him in a dialog in front of a panel.

    If youd like to read the preamble to the letters, see below.

    OK, finding out about this Golden Age article was what originally got me fired up about the WTS 6 months ago. I decided to research it, taking great pains to remain as objective and info-oriented researcher as possible, throughout. I contacted a local hall and they said these articles were too old to carry, and bounced me to HQ. So I called HQ in Brooklyn and asked if this article was real. They bounced me to the Writing dept. and I talked to a guy who had the article right there in front of him. They wouldn't comment on the article. So I asked if the article took a negative view of vaccines, quoting

    Vaccinations are responsible for the spread of "demonism" and sexual immorality. Thinking people would rather have smallpox than vaccination, because the latter sows the seed of syphilis, cancers, escema, erysipelas, scrofula, consumption, even leprosy and many other loathsome affections. Hence the practice of vaccination is a crime, an outrage and a delusion.... Vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that God made with Noah after the flood... Vacination has never saved a human life. It does not prevent smallpox.

    He said he needed to study it further and he couldn't comment. I tried many ways to get info, but got the run around. The amazing thing was that info in the articles that casted the WTS in a good light was jumping to his finger tips. He said that medicine was different then (Golden Age days), and that the "cannibal" reference was from a scientific source and organ transplants were not reliable at that time. These were the only comments I could get. Any request for originals had to be in writing. So I sent a fax. Go to top ;-)

    One last note- the WTS approach to info exchange is highly unusual. No electronic exchange. And getting library reference material needs a liaison? Imagine if they had to go through that at the public or any other library to confirm references. I think we would have to go back to the dark ages to find such a policy on public information. -J

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Well, whatever you do, Harry Lund will know you are going to do it, if you leave this post up.

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    Yeah.

  • hamptonite21
    hamptonite21

    If you a still a JW becareful!

  • happysunshine
    happysunshine

    Hey- no advice?

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    I believe this person intends to meet with you to encourage you to present the merits of their present stand on blood while at the same time discouraging you from focussing on past beliefs on vacinations and transplants etc.

    I would highly doubt you will receive all the information you requested, but more likely the information they would like you to have to base your research on.

    It is all about control imo. I'd refuse to meet with him and just ask for the copies you requested.

    Path

  • happysunshine
    happysunshine

    Sounds good POT. By the way, what's "imo"? -J

  • Southland
    Southland

    imo = "in my opinion"

  • SYN
    SYN

    It would be surprising in the extreme if you actually received all that literature (it's now called "Old Light", and as such, according to the history-rewriting policies of the Tower, is considered verboten). If you do, well, tell us. A public debate with him would be excellent! You could really hang him out to dry if you're well prepared - the blood doctrine is one of the silliest in the entire Ridiculous Tower Doctrine repertoire! (SP?)

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    I can't see this individual sujecting himself to a public debate. He might make a public presentation and respond to pre-authorized questions on the subject of the Society's current position on blood, but not on the past.

    If you do meet with him, it would probably be a good idea to get permission to record the interview with him.

    The individual will likely state that it has always been a matter of "personal choice" for individuals when it comes to medical treatments.

    I would focus on what "personal choice" means for Witnesses in deciding whether or not to have a blood transfusion or what it meant in the matter of transplants. Would a Witness in good standing have accepted a transplant when it was viewed as cannibalism? Would a good Witness be more inclined to accept a transplant today? What would have happened before 1981 to a JW guilty of "cannibalism"?

    You will have to learn these subjects well if you are to meet with him and be familiar with their ways of sidestepping issues. They have a way of appearing so open minded and free, when a JW faced with these issues is anything but.

    Path

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