by UnDisfellowshipped 56 Replies latest jw friends

  • plmkrzy

    They think they are nuts.

  • Satanus


    I'm checking out the info.


  • plmkrzy

    Undi, I clicked on a link from a Arthur Edward Waite bio web site and the link containing "The secret of freemasonry" or something like that was gone. I wanted to ask you if you had a link with that info.

  • plmkrzy

    Here is the shortcut I was trying to access.

    [Arthur E. Waite]

    The Secret Tradition in Freemasonry.

    Edited by - plmkrzy on 6 November 2002 21:26:35

  • plmkrzy

    BTTT to ask again.

    UnDisfellowshipped, I seem yo be surfing all the wrong links or this particular article has just been totally dropped. I've been pulling up more pages/chapters whatever from other links that have been removed also. Especially ones that include "The Golden Dawn"

    No other Golden Dawn organization on the planet currently possesses the intensity of magickal power and the potency of transmission that is to be found through Mountain Temple Center.

    Calendar of Events

    Do you have any kinks links that go into more detail, if possible, regarding the current relationship and or animosity if any between the various sects of freemasonry?


    Edited by - plmkrzy on 7 November 2002 8:40:32

  • plmkrzy

    I must be on ignore

  • plmkrzy

    Nevermind. I found this instead while reading through the links.

    I come now to speak of the cause of secrecy used by the Masons.

    The natural source of secrecy is fear. When any new religion over-runs a former religion, the professors of the new become the persecutors of the old. We see this in all instances that history brings before us. When Hilkiah the priest and Shaphan the scribe, in the reign of King Josiah, found, or pretended to find, the law, called the law of Moses, a thousand years after the time of Moses, (and it does not appear from 2 Kings, xxii., xxiii., that such a law was ever practiced or known before the time of Josiah), he established that law as a national religion, and put all the priests of the Sun to death. When the christian religion over-ran the Jewish religion, the Jews were the continual subject of persecution in all christian countries. When the Protestant religion in England over-ran the Roman Catholic religion, it was made death for a Catholic priest to be found in England. As this has been the case in all the instances we have any knowledge of, we are obliged to admit it with respect to the case in question, and that when the christian religion over-ran the religion of the Druids in Italy, ancient Gaul, Britain, and Ireland, the Druids became the subject of persecution. This would naturally and necessarily oblige such of them as remained attached to their original religion to meet in secret, and under the strongest injunctions of secrecy. Their safety depended upon it. A false brother might expose the lives of many of them to destruction; and from the remains of the religion of the Druids, thus preserved, arose the institution which, to avoid the name of Druid, took that of Mason, and practiced under this new name the rites and ceremonies of Druids.

    So the origin according to this link is "Sun worship" and according to this article also pre-dates Christianity which replaced the "Sun" with the "Son" or Christ. The twelve Tribes replaced the 12 signs of the zodiac. and so on and so on
  • abbagail

    Hi UNDF'd! I came to your threads to look for something else, but when I saw the Freemasons title, thought I'd pop in here an article I found by accident the other day when I was searching some "news" search engines.

    And for everybody else, I have No Idea whether what this below article says is legit or of any value or credibility. I post it merely FWIW because this fella being interviewed, Martyn Attard, mentions our former bro Charles Taze further down in the article...

    Web posted on November 3, 2002 at 9:00:00 AM CET

    Charity begins at home

    [by] Daniela Xuereb

    Daniela Xuereb speaks to MARTYN ATTARD, who was a Freemason for around six years and who renounced the fraternity for Catholicism.

    "Freemasons are hoodwinked immediately with the very first oath they take as an Entered Apprentice - the first degree of Freemasonry. At that stage a person states he would rather kill himself than reveal the secrets of Freemasonry," said Martyn Attard.

    In the 1980s, a successful businessman in his late 20s, drowning in alcohol and leading a lifestyle based on sex, power and money, Mr Attard became a Freemason.

    It was a good friend who introduced him to the world of Freemasonry - he calls a secret society. Freemasons say the criteria for becoming a Freemason is a belief in a Superior Being referred to as G.A.O.T.U. (the Great Architect Of The Universe), strict morals and a willingness to help others.

    "Freemasons claim they do not belong to a secret society, but a society with secrets. However, the most important secret is that very few members know the secret of what they are involved in," Mr Attard said. "Freemasonry is a society within a larger society, the former gradually eating away the latter."

    The ultimate goal of Freemasonry is to take charge of the world and eventually become A One World Government - the recent terminology being used is globalisation. The idea is also to replace all religions with the one true Masonic religion.

    "Freemasons say they make good men better... and at the time when I had a problem with alcohol, how could they have made me a better man?" asked Mr Attard who formed part of the Marsamxett Lodge in Valletta.

    "Once I was accepted in Freemasonry and in a Lodge that made good men better I simply drank more! The bar at the Marsamxett Lodge was open every Saturday morning and beverage prices were very reasonable so I rarely missed the weekly informal gathering," he remarked.

    Attending monthly ceremonies and social activities organised by the Freemasons, Mr Attard explained, included the introduction of new members into the Lodge and the raising of degrees, among other things on the agenda. Mr Attard had passed the third degree and was in Chapter. He said most Masons never go beyond the first three degrees of rank - there are 33 in all.

    Between 30 and 40 people attended each ceremony and all wore Masonic regalia which included aprons, badges and other items. Wearing regalia is historical and symbolic and, like a uniform, Freemasons say the regalia serves to indicate to members where they rank in the organisation.

    "When I joined Freemasonry I was told I was living in darkness, and I could only see the light through Freemasonry. Having resigned from the organisation now I know with certainty that it is Freemasons who are in darkness. Jesus Christ is the only light," Mr Attard said.

    Freemasonry controls around six million members worldwide, the majority being in the USA. Freemasonry is the UK's largest secular, fraternal and charitable organisation, and the United Grand Lodge of England has over 300,000 members working in nearly 8,000 Lodges throughout England and Wales and more than 30,000 members overseas.

    "I take it for granted that the good men being made better will now only refer to me as being scurrilous, for giving my views," Mr Attard said.

    "However few know for example that Freemasonry does not accept the blind, the lame and the crippled as members - the official reason being that they cannot participate properly in the ceremonies, and thus are deprived from seeing the light - the Bible teaches us otherwise."

    While claiming that Freemasonry is not a secret society, they believe that Lodge meetings are private, and open to members only.

    "Freemasons insist Freemasonry is not a religion. However, it is strange that the room they meet in is referred to as a temple,' the seat the Worshipful Master (the chairman for that year) sits on is referred to as an altar, and the ceremonies end with the phrase so mote it be - the same words used in major satanic rituals," Mr Attard explained. "Even the Jehovah's Witness founder (Russel) was in fact a Freemason as well as a Knight Templar. All Knight Templars are Freemasons."

    Mr Attard explained that after becoming a Freemason a person suddenly finds himself with a ready-made circle of friends, who are hospitable and accommodating.

    "You feel as if you have stumbled upon something deep and promising and feel rather in awe of these businessmen and the international power they represent. When you are a Mason you become pure while everybody else is profane, said Mr Attard. Freemasonry includes rituals, ceremonies and secret handshakes.

    "When you greet a Mason he presses a knuckle on the back of your hand - either the first, second or third to indicate which rank he is in. It is a secret recognition signal," he added.

    Describing the initiation ceremony, Mr Attard said a person is led blindfolded into the temple, with a noose round his neck with his promoter standing beside him. The steward of the Lodge then asks: "Is this an act of your own free will and accord?" and he prompts the person to reply "It is." At this point the person is told: "Take one step with your left foot, and bring the heel of your right foot..." and the position assumed is the Tau Cross, the ancient phallic symbol.

    Mr Attard said: "Next you kneel at the altar and swear an oath - which is of course blasphemous - and it goes something like this: I ... of my own free will and accord, in the presence of the Almighty God and this worshipful Lodge, erected to him and dedicated to the Holy St John, do hereby and hereon most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear..."

    Freemasons swear to abide by all the Masonic rules and obey all Masons of higher ranks, and to aid and assist all poor or distressed Masons.

    Over the years Freemasonry has had a number of famous brethren, including such names as Mozart, Winston Churchill, Peter Sellers, Ronald Regan, George Bush Sr, Lord Mountbatten and most of Europes royal families.

    Charity is a fundamental part of all Freemasonry but charity always begins at home.

    Leaving the fraternity

    The person who helped Mr Attard join Freemasonry was the one who eventually encouraged him to leave.

    "My friend, a Roman Catholic, unfortunately had been hoodwinked into believing he could be a Roman Catholic and a Freemason at the same time," explained Mr Attard.

    It was in the 1990s when both friends resigned from Freemasonry. At the time the
    Roman Catholic Church had renewed its declaration that Roman Catholicism and Freemasonry were not compatible, meaning that one could either be a member of one or the other, but not of both.

    "We had discussed the matter for long and my friend decided to resign from Freemasonry. He chose to remain a Roman Catholic and eventually I handed in my resignation and turned back to Catholicism too," Mr Attard said. "I would like to publicly thank whoever was praying for me at the time, since I also decided to see the real light."

    Freemasonry is a subject which surfaces from time to time in Malta. It was Labour MP Leo Brincat who said in Parliament that certain members of the judiciary are Freemasons and that the government has a list of them.

    Replying to Mr Brincat, Justice Minister Austin Gatt said if he ever had a shred of evidence that any person occupying an official position was a Freemason, he would insist he be removed from office.

    Last Tuesday, on current affairs programme Bondi+, private investigator and journalist Joe Zahra publicly resigned from Freemasonry. Mr Zahra joined the fraternity three years ago but decided to resign from the organisation because as a journalist and private investigator he felt there would be a conflict of interest between his job and being a Freemason.

    Bondi+ covered the history of Freemasonry and the reasons why it is stigmatised in Malta - unlike in many other counties where it is practised openly.

    As the main guest on Bondi+ Mr Zahra spoke about his experience of being a Freemason. The programme stunned many who knew little or nothing at all about the practices of Freemasons.

    Bondi+ took many, particularly active Freemasons, by surprise as exclusive footage filmed personally by Mr Zahra was shown throughout the programme.

    The footage shown was of recent official Freemasonry ceremonies, held behind closed doors which were all secretly filmed by Mr Zahra.

    Maltas laws, unlike those in Italy, protect Freemasons, because belonging to a Lodge is not illegal.

    Following Tuesday's programme, Mr Bondi said he received positive feedback.

    "Both Freemasons and those who are against Freemasonry said the programme was a balanced one. It was satisfying to receive the positive feedback," said Mr Bondi.

    2002 Concept and Design by Standard Publications

    Wow! Sounds totally creepy yet silly at the same time. Silly all that secrecy, silly handshakes with the knuckes in the back of your hand, men dressing up in aprons and such. Seems to have several earmarks of a cult as well (from reading prior "cult description lists" linked to from this forum, etc.)

    Like a group of little boys creating their own secret club, swearing each other to secrecy, while they hang-out up in their tree-houses in their backyards which their daddies built for them... that's what it reminds me of.

    Edited for coding error...

    Edited by - GRITS on 9 November 2002 0:29:46

  • UnDisfellowshipped

    Thanks to plmkrzy and GRITS for your Posts!

    plmkrzy, I am sorry about not replying yet, I am definitely not ignoring you.

    I have a new job which is taking up a lot of my time, but I will post replies here soon.

  • plmkrzy


    Hey I was kidding! Thanks for responding though. I figured you would just get to it when you could.

  • larc

    Back to my earlier statement. The Masons keep a list of all members, past and present. This list is available to the public. I know this because I inquired about this to a friend of mine who is a 32nd degree Mason. Since this is the case, why is it that no one has shown docuementation that Russell was a Mason?

  • Dino

    I just wanted to hijack this thread momentarily. Sorry!

    Plum, please let me say that you are gorgeous. Im not a lech, but I just had to tell you that!

    Now folks, back to your regularly scheduled debate...

  • plmkrzy


    Back to my earlier statement. The Masons keep a list of all members, past and present. This list is available to the public. I know this because I inquired about this to a friend of mine who is a 32nd degree Mason. Since this is the case, why is it that no one has shown docuementation that Russell was a Mason?

    I've found enough info on CT Russell to be more then convinced he was never a "freemason" but more then likely he was weird. He had some peculiar interests that dated back to the Egyptians, similar to Masons but thats about as far as it went.

    I am interested though to know where you acquired the "Lists? I've only been able to access "Lists" containing "Famous" masons. And also "Master Masons" from each Grand lodge along with a few other doormen or whatever they are after they graduate from low men on the totem poles. How would anyone possibly know how many and who all the members are since they do in many Lodges keep no real records? They instead pass on secret handshakes and such. hehehe. Your level of hand shack or "sign" tells how you rank in membership.

    Anyway. Larc, can you post a link or 2 from your sorces?


    Dino. aww thanks. blushes

    Edited by - plmkrzy on 9 November 2002 23:11:43

  • Satanus


    whether or not Freemasons worship Satan

    While giving 6 pages as the source for a one paragraph quote is a little confusing, i found one of the quotes, anyway. From a reading of the context, she is explaining her view that all is one. This is a doctrine incomprehensible to christian dualists. So, you naturally jump to the conclusion that she is a satan worshipper. But then, you believe that anyone who doesn't worship your god or jesus is automatically worshipping satan anyway. For what it's worth, here is the quote:

    But if the Christian Church was the first to make the existence of Satan a dogma, it was because, as shown in Isis, the Devil -- the powerful enemy of God (? ! !) had to become the corner stone of the pillar of the Church. For, as a Theosophist, M. Jules Baissac, truly observes in his "Satan ou le Diable" (p. 9): "Il fallait eviter de paraitre autoriser le dogme du double principe en faisant de ce Satan createur une puissance reelle, et pour expliquer le mal originel, on profere contre Manes l'hypothese d'une permission de l'unique tout Puissant."* The choice and policy were unfortunate, anyhow. Either the personator of the lower god of Abraham and Jacob ought to have been made entirely distinct from the mystic "Father" of Jesus, or -- the "Fallen" Angels should have been left unslandered by further fictions.

    Every god of the Gentiles is connected with, and closely related to,

    [[Footnote(s)]] -------------------------------------------------

    * After the polymorphic Pantheism of some Gnostics came the esoteric dualism of Manes, who was accused of personifying Evil and creating of the Devil a God -- rival of God himself. We do not see that the Christian Church has so much improved on that exoteric idea of the Manicheans, for she calls God her King of Light, and Satan, the King of Darkness, to this day.


    [[Vol. 2, Page]] 510 THE SECRET DOCTRINE

    Jehovah -- the Elohim; for they are all One Host, whose units differ only in name in the esoteric teachings. Between the "Obedient" and the "Fallen" Angels there is no difference whatever, except in their respective functions, or rather in the inertia of some, and the activity of others among those "Dhyan Chohans" or Elohim who were "commissioned to create," i.e., to fabricate the manifested world out of the eternal material.

    The Kabbalists say that the true name of Satan is that of Jehovah placed upside down, for "Satan is not a black god but the negation of the white deity," or the light of Truth. God is light and Satan is the necessary darkness or shadow to set it off, without which pure light would be invisible and incomprehensible.* "For the initiates," says Eliphas Levi, "the devil is not a person but a creative Force, for Good as for Evil." They (the Initiates) represented this Force, which presides at physical generation, under the mysterious form of God Pan -- or Nature: whence the horns and hoofs of that mythical and symbolic figure, as also the Christian "goat of the Witches' Sabbath." With regard to this too, Christians have imprudently forgotten that the goat was also the victim selected for the atonement of all the sins of Israel, that the scape-goat was indeed the sacrificial martyr, the symbol of the greatest mystery on earth -- the Fall into generation. Only the Jews have long forgotten the real meaning of their (to the non-initiated) ridiculous hero, selected from the drama of life in the great mysteries enacted by them in the desert; and the Christians never knew it.

    Eliphas Levi seeks to explain the dogma of his Church by paradoxes and metaphors, but succeeds very poorly in the face of the many volumes written by pious Roman Catholic demonologists under the approbation and auspices of Rome, in this nineteenth century of ours. For the true Roman Catholic, the devil or Satan is a reality; the drama enacted in the sidereal light according to the seer of Patmos -- who desired, perhaps, to improve upon the narrative in the "Book of Enoch" -- is as real, and as historical a fact as any other allegory and symbolical event in the Bible. But the Initiates give an explanation

    [[Footnote(s)]] -------------------------------------------------

    * To quote in this relation Mr. Laing in his admirable work "Modern Science and Modern Thought" (p. 222, 3rd Ed.): "From this dilemma (existence of evil in the world) there is no escape, unless we give up altogether the idea of an anthropomorphic deity, and adopt frankly the Scientific idea of a First Cause, inscrutable and past finding out; and of a universe whose laws we can trace, but of whose real essence we know nothing, and can only suspect, or faintly discern a fundamental law which may make the polarity of good and evil a necessary condition of existence." Were Science to know "the real essence," instead of knowing nothing of it, the faint suspicion would turn into the certitude of the existence of such a law, and the knowledge that this law is connected with Karma.


    [[Vol. 2, Page]] 511 AKASA, THE "MYSTERIUM MAGNUM."

    which differs from that given by Eliphas Levi, whose genius and crafty intellect had to submit to a certain compromise dictated to him from Rome.

    Thus, the true and uncompromising Kabalists admit that, for all purposes of Science and philosophy, it is enough that the profane should know that the great magic agent called by the followers of the Marquis de St. Martin -- the Martinists -- astral light, by the mediaeval Kabalists and Alchemists the Sidereal Virgin and the Mysterium Magnum, and by the Eastern Occultists AEther, the reflection of Akasa -- is that which the Church calls Lucifer. That the Latin scholastics have succeeded in transforming the universal soul and Pleroma, the vehicle of Light and the receptacle of all the forms, a force spread throughout the whole Universe, with its direct and indirect effects, into Satan and his works, is no news to any one. But now they are prepared to give out to the above-mentioned profane even the secrets hinted at by Eliphas Levi without adequate explanation; for the latter's policy of veiled revelations could only lead to further superstition and misunderstanding. What, indeed, can a student of Occultism, a beginner, gather from the following highly poetical sentences of Eliphas Levi, as apocalyptic as the writings of any of the Alchemists?

    "Lucifer, the Astral Light . . . . is an intermediate force existing in all creation, it serves to create and to destroy, and the Fall of Adam was an erotic intoxication which has rendered his generation a slave to this fatal light . . . every sexual passion that overpowers our senses is a whirlwind of that light which seeks to drag us towards the abyss of death, Folly. Hallucinations, visions, ecstasies are all forms of a very dangerous excitation due to this interior phosphorus (?). Thus light, finally, is of the nature of fire, the intelligent use of which warms and vivifies, and the excess of which, on the contrary, dissolves and annihilates. Thus man is called upon to assume a sovereign empire over that (astral) light and conquer thereby his immortality, and is threatened at the same time with being intoxicated, absorbed, and eternally destroyed by it. This light, therefore, inasmuch as it is devouring, revengeful, and fatal, would thus really be hell-fire, the serpent of the legend; the tormented errors of which it is full, the tears and the gnashing of teeth of the abortive beings it devours, the phantom of life that escapes them, and seems to mock and insult their agony, all this would be the devil or Satan indeed." (Histoire de la Magie, p. 197).

    There is no wrong statement in all this; nothing save a superabundance of ill-applied metaphors, as in the application of Adam -- a myth -- to the illustration of the astral effects. Akasa -- the astral light* -- can be defined in a few words; it is the universal Soul, the Matrix of the Universe, the "Mysterium Magnum" from which all that exists is born by separation or differentiation. It is the cause of existence; it

    [[Footnote(s)]] -------------------------------------------------

    * Akasa is not the Ether of Science, as some Orientalists translate it.


    [[Vol. 2, Page]] 512 THE SECRET DOCTRINE

    fills all the infinite Space; is Space itself, in one sense, or both its Sixth and Seventh principles.* But as the finite in the Infinite, as regards manifestation, this light must have its shadowy side -- as already remarked. And as the infinite can never be manifested, hence the finite world has to be satisfied with the shadow alone, which its actions draw upon humanity and which men attract and force to activity. Hence, while it is the universal Cause in its unmanifested unity and infinity, the Astral light becomes, with regard to Mankind, simply the effects of the causes produced by men in their sinful lives. It is not its bright denizens --- whether they are called Spirits of Light or Darkness -- that produce Good or Evil, but mankind itself that determines the unavoidable action and reaction in the great magic agent. It is mankind which has become the "Serpent of Genesis," and thus causes daily and hourly the Fall and sin of the "Celestial Virgin" -- which thus becomes the Mother of gods and devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving, beneficent deity to all those who stir her Soul and heart, instead of attracting to themselves her shadowy manifested essence, called by Eliphas Levi -- "the fatal light" which kills and destroys. Humanity, in its units, can overpower and master its effects; but only by the holiness of their lives and by producing good causes. It has power only on the manifested lower principles -- the shadow of the Unknown and Incognizable Deity in Space. But in antiquity and reality, Lucifer, or Luciferus, is the name of the angelic Entity presiding over the light of truth as over the light of the day. In the great Valentinian gospel Pistis Sophia ( 361) it is taught that of the three Powers emanating from the Holy names of the Three [[Tridunameis]], that of Sophia (the Holy Ghost according to these gnostics -- the most cultured of all), resides in the planet Venus or Lucifer.

    Thus to the profane, the Astral Light may be God and Devil at once --

    [[Footnote(s)]] -------------------------------------------------

    * Says Johannes Tritheim, the Abbot of Spanheim, the greatest astrologer and Kabalist of his day:-- "The art of divine magic consists in the ability to perceive the essence of things in the light of nature (astral light), and by using the soul-powers of the spirit to produce material things from the unseen universe, and in such operations the Above and the Below must be brought together and made to act harmoniously. The spirit of Nature (astral light) is a unity, creating and forming everything, and acting through the instrumentality of man it may produce wonderful things. Such are accomplished, if you learn to know yourself. You will know it by the power of the spirit that is in yourself, and accomplish it by mixing your spirit with the essence that comes out of yourself. If you wish to succeed in such a work you must know how to separate Spirit and Life in Nature, and, moreover, to separate the astral soul in yourself and to make it tangible, and then the substance of the soul will appear visibly and tangibly rendered objective by the power of the spirit." -- (Quoted in Dr. Hartman's "Paracelsus.")


    [[Vol. 2, Page]] 513 MIND, THE QUICKENING SPIRIT.

    Demon est Deus inversus: that is to say, through every point of Infinite Space thrill the magnetic and electrical currents of animate Nature, the life-giving and death-giving waves, for death on earth becomes life on another plane. Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the "Holy Ghost" and "Satan," at one and the same time, visible Space being truly filled with the differentiated Breath invisibly; and the Astral Light, the manifested effects of the two who are one, guided and attracted by ourselves, is the Karma of humanity, both a personal and impersonal entity: personal, because it is the mystic name given by St. Martin to the Host of divine Creators, guides and rulers of this planet; impersonal, as the Cause and effect of universal Life and Death.

    The Fall was the result of man's knowledge, for his "eyes were opened." Indeed, he was taught Wisdom and the hidden knowledge by the "Fallen Angel," for the latter had become from that day his Manas, Mind and Self-consciousness. In each of us that golden thread of continuous life -- periodically broken into active and passive cycles of sensuous existence on Earth, and super-sensuous in Devachan -- is from the beginning of our appearance upon this earth. It is the Sutratma, the luminous thread of immortal impersonal monadship, on which our earthly lives or evanescent Egos are strung as so many beads -- according to the beautiful expression of Vedantic philosophy.

    And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon, the "Lord of Phosphorus" (brimstone was a theological improvement), and Lucifer, or "Light-Bearer," is in us: it is our Mind -- our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour from pure animalism. Without this principle -- the emanation of the very essence of the pure divine principle Mahat (Intelligence), which radiates direct from the Divine mind -- we would be surely no better than animals. The first man Adam was made only a living soul (nephesh), the last Adam was made a quickening Spirit*:-- says Paul, his words referring to the building or Creation of man. Without this quickening spirit, or human Mind or soul, there would be no difference between man and beast; as there is none, in fact, between animals with respect to their actions. The tiger and the donkey, the hawk and the dove, are each one as pure and as innocent as the other, because irresponsible. Each follows its instinct, the tiger and the hawk killing with the same unconcern as the donkey eats a thistle, or the dove pecks at a grain of corn. If the Fall had the significance given to it by theology; if that

    [[Footnote(s)]] -------------------------------------------------

    * The real original text of I Corinthians, rendered Kabalistically and esoterically would read (in Chap. xv., verses 44 and 45): "It is sown a soul body (not 'natural' body), it is raised a spirit body." St. Paul was an Initiate, and his words have quite a different meaning when read esoterically. The body "is sown in weakness (passivity); it is raised in power" (43) -- or in spirituality and intellect.


    [[Vol. 2, Page]] 514 THE SECRET DOCTRINE.

    fall occurred as a result of an act never intended by nature, -- a sin, how about the animals? If we are told that they procreate their species in consequence of that same "original sin," for which God cursed the earth -- hence everything living on it -- we will put another question. We are told by theology, as by Science, that the animal was on earth far earlier than man? We ask the former: How did it procreate its species, before the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, of the Good and the Evil, had been plucked off? As said: "The Christians -- far less clear-sighted than the great Mystic and Liberator whose name they have assumed, whose doctrines they have misunderstood and travestied, and whose memory they have blackened by their deeds -- took the Jewish Jehovah as he was, and of course strove vainly to reconcile the Gospel of Light and Liberty with the Deity of Darkness and Submission." ("War in Heaven.")*

    But, it is sufficiently proven now that all the soi-disant evil Spirits who are credited with having made war on the gods, are identical as personalities; moreover, that all the ancient religions taught the same tenet save the final conclusion, which latter differs from the Christian. The seven primeval gods had all a dual state, one essential, the other accidental. In their essential state they were all the "Builders" or Fashioners, the Preservers and the rulers of this world, and in the accidental state, clothing themselves in visible corporeality, they descended on the earth and reigned on it as Kings and Instructors of the lower Hosts, who had incarnated once more upon it as men.

    [[Footnote(s)]] -------------------------------------------------

    * By Godolphin Mitford, later in life, Murad Ali Bey. Born in India, the son of a Missionary, G. Mitford was converted to Islam, and died a Mahomedan in 1884. He was a most extraordinary Mystic, of a great learning and remarkable intelligence. But he left the Right Path and forthwith fell under Karmic retribution. As well shown by the author of the article quoted "The followers of the defeated Elohim, first massacred by the victorious Jews (the Jehovites), and then persuaded by the victorious Christians and Mohamedans, continued nevertheless. . . Some of these scattered sects have lost even the tradition of the true rationale of their belief -- to worship in secrecy and mystery the Principle of Fire, Light, and Liberty. Why do the Sabean Bedouins (avowedly Monotheists when dwelling in the Mohamedan cities) in the solitude of the desert night yet invoke the starry 'Host of Heaven'? Why do the Yezidis, the 'Devil Worshippers,' worship the 'Muluk-Taoos' -- The 'Lord Peacock' -- the emblem of pride and of hundred-eyed intelligence (and of Initiation also), which was expelled from heaven with Satan, according to an old Oriental tradition? Why do the Gholaites and their kindred Mesopotamo-Iranian Mohamedan Sects believe in the 'Noor Illahee' -- the Light of the Elohim -- transmitted in anastasis through a hundred Prophet Leaders? It is because they have continued in ignorant superstition the traditional religion of the 'Light Deities whom Jahveh overthrew' (is said to have overthrown rather); for by overthrowing them he would have overthrown himself. The'Muluk-Taoos' -- is Maluk -- 'Ruler' as is shown in the foot-note. It is only a new form of Moloch, Melek, Molech, MaIayak, and Malachim" -- Messengers, Angels, etc.


    [[Vol. 2, Page]] 515 THE LOGOS AND SATAN ARE ONE.

    Thus, esoteric philosophy shows that man is truly the manifested deity in both its aspects -- good and evil, but theology cannot admit this philosophical truth. Teaching the dogma of the Fallen Angels in its dead-letter meaning, and having made of Satan the corner-stone and pillar of the dogma of redemption -- to do so would be suicidal. Having once shown the rebellious angels distinct from God and the Logos in their personalities, the admission that the downfall of the disobedient Spirits meant simply their fall into generation and matter, would be equivalent to saying that God and Satan were identical. For since the LOGOS (or God) is the aggregate of that once divine Host accused of having fallen, it would follow that the Logos and Satan are one.

    Yet such was the real philosophical view of the now disfigured tenet in antiquity. The Verbum, or the "Son," was shown in a dual aspect by the Pagan Gnostics -- in fact, he was a duality in full unity. Hence, the endless and various national versions. The Greeks had Jupiter, the son of Chronos, the Father, who hurls him down into the depths of Kosmos. The Aryans had Brahma (in later theology) precipitated by Siva into the Abyss of Darkness, etc., etc. But the fall of all these Logoi and Demiurgi from their primitive exalted position, had in all cases one and the same esoteric signification in it; the curse -- in its philosophical meaning -- of being incarnated on this earth; an unavoidable rung on the ladder of cosmic evolution, a highly philosophical and fitting Karmic law, without which the presence of Evil on Earth would have to remain for ever a closed mystery to the understanding of true philosophy. To say, as the author of the Esprits Tombes des Paiens (p. 347) does, that since "Christianity is made to rest on two pillars, that of evil ([[ponerou]]), and of good [[Iagathou]]; on two forces, in short, [[Iagathau kai kakai dunomeis]]: hence, if we suppress the punishment of the evil forces, the protecting mission of the good Powers will have neither value nor sense" -- is to utter the most unphilosophical absurdity. If it fits in with, and explains Christian dogma, it obscures the facts and truths of the primitive wisdom of the ages. The cautious hints of Paul have all the true esoteric meaning, and it took centuries of scholastic casuistry to give them the present false colouring in their interpretation. The verbum and Lucifer are one in their dual aspect; and the "Prince of the Air" (princeps aeris hujus) is not the "God of that period," but an everlasting principle. If the latter was said to be ever circling around the world -- qui circumambulat terram -- the great Apostle referred simply to the never-ceasing cycles of human incarnations, in which evil will ever predominate unto the day when Humanity is redeemed by the true divine Enlightenment which gives the correct perception of things.

    It is easy to disfigure vague expressions written in dead and long-


    [[Vol. 2, Page]] 516 THE SECRET DOCTRINE.

    forgotten languages, and palm them off as truths and revealed facts on the ignorant masses.

    At any rate, blavatsky wasn't writing instructions for freemasons, she was writing for members of her own religion.


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    Also, the ot is not dualistic, as is the nt. The ot has evil spirits taking orders from yahweh, and even equates satan and yahweh.

    1 Chronicles 21:1
    Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

    2 Samuel 24
    1 Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah."


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    Thanks SaintSatan for posting those Quotes.

    That was the most confusing reading I have seen in a long time.

    I honestly don't know where they come up with that stuff, and I don't know what to say.

    However, I think your Quotes will show all Christians to stay away from Freemasonry.

    Here are a few Quotes you posted which really caught my eye:

    Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the "Holy Ghost" and "Satan,"

    And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon, the "Lord of Phosphorus" (brimstone was a theological improvement), and Lucifer, or "Light-Bearer," is in us: it is our Mind -- our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour from pure animalism.

    St. Paul was an Initiate


    Also, you said:

    Also, the ot is not dualistic, as is the nt. The ot has evil spirits taking orders from yahweh, and even equates satan and yahweh.

    I agree completely that Yahweh God Almighty gives orders to Satan and the demons.

    Satan and the demons (fallen angels) are still subject to God, as is everything in existence.

    Yahweh can and has and will use Satan and the demons to fulfill His purpose.

    In those Bible Verses you posted, I don't believe that the Bible is equating Yahweh God with Satan, I believe that Yahweh can be said to be the One who incited David to take the Census because He was the One who used Satan to do it.

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    SaintSatan said:

    While giving 6 pages as the source for a one paragraph quote is a little confusing, i found one of the quotes, anyway.

    I am very sorry about that. I found the Quotes I posted on several different Websites on the Internet, and I supplied the References that were posted on the Websites.

    SaintSatan said:

    So, you naturally jump to the conclusion that she is a satan worshipper. But then, you believe that anyone who doesn't worship your god or jesus is automatically worshipping satan anyway

    I believe that only because that is what the Scriptures say -- From Genesis through Revelation it is clear that if you Worship ANYTHING or ANYONE other than Yahweh (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), you are sinning against God.

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