Bible Rules on Netflix

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  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    Started a history channel series on Netflix last night called bible rules. First episode was interesting. In one part is was discussing stoning (which was not exclusive to the people of the dessert god).

    Something they strongly emphasised was how there were a lot of ways to kill someone. Yes this was barbaric but there was another factor to it as well. It demonstrated your loyalty. Sound like disfellowshipping? Everyone gets to participate this way they can show their loyalty to the religious leaders and group. Vicariously representing some diety.

  • _Morpheus
    _Morpheus
    Thats interesting freemind, i will have to check that out! The more context to the desert gods ancient people the better :)
  • The_Doctor10
    The_Doctor10
    That's what I've started to call Disfellowshipping, "spiritual stoning." and it's what I'll tell my Elders they're doing to me should I ever face a JC, "You're going to make your decision on whether or not to spiritually stone me to death."
  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    Yes the stoning they suggested was not to show loyalty towards the persons wrong doing, but to show how you would be loyal if the city was attacked etc, totally power/control/political. So how is disfellowshipping any different? Its not some enlightened spiritual form of justice, its bronze-motha-f&%$ing-age control.

    _Morpheus They also mentioned a scripture (i need to find it) where the moabites or someone sacrificed a child and the Israelites lost a battle. Looks like the desert god recognizes the effectiveness of child sacrafice.

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    2 Kings 3:27

    International Standard Version

    So he took his firstborn son, whom he intended to reign after him, and offered him up as a burnt offering on the wall. There subsequently came great anger against Israel, so they abandoned the attack and returned to their homeland.

    Looks like moloch had some street cred too.

  • _Morpheus
    _Morpheus
    Shit im about to look that up In the dubbies bible
  • _Morpheus
    _Morpheus

    Wow!!!! Why have i never read this????? Well im sure i have, but how do they spin this???

    3 Je·hoʹram the son of Aʹhab became king over Israel in Sa·marʹi·a in the 18th year of King Je·hoshʹa·phat of Judah, and he reigned for 12 years. 2 He kept doing what was bad in Jehovah’s eyes, but not to the extent of his father or his mother, for he removed the sacred pillar of Baʹal that his father had made. 3 However, he clung to the sins that Jer·o·boʹam the son of Neʹbat had caused Israel to commit. He did not depart from them. 4 Now Meʹsha the king of Moʹab was a sheep raiser, and he used to pay 100,000 lambs and 100,000 unshorn rams as tribute to the king of Israel. 5 As soon as Aʹhab died, the king of Moʹab revolted against the king of Israel. 6 So King Je·hoʹram went out on that day from Sa·marʹi·a and mustered all Israel. 7 He also sent a message to King Je·hoshʹa·phat of Judah, saying: “The king of Moʹab has revolted against me. Will you go with me to war against Moʹab?” To this he said: “I will go. I am the same as you. My people are the same as your people. My horses are the same as your horses.” 8 Then he asked: “By which way should we go up?” He replied: “By the way of the wilderness of Eʹdom.” 9 The king of Israel then set out with the king of Judah and the king of Eʹdom. After they journeyed roundabout for seven days, there was no water for the camp and for the domestic animals that were following behind them. 10 The king of Israel said: “How terrible! Jehovah has called these three kings, only to give them into the hand of Moʹab!” 11 At that Je·hoshʹa·phat said: “Is there no prophet of Jehovah here through whom we may inquire of Jehovah?” So one of the servants of the king of Israel answered: “There is E·liʹsha the son of Shaʹphat, who used to pour out water on the hands of E·liʹjah.” 12 Then Je·hoshʹa·phat said: “The word of Jehovah is with him.” So the king of Israel and Je·hoshʹa·phat and the king of Eʹdom went down to him. 13 E·liʹsha said to the king of Israel: “What do I have to do with you? Go to the prophets of your father and to the prophets of your mother.” But the king of Israel said to him: “No, for it is Jehovah who has called these three kings to give them into the hand of Moʹab.” 14 To this E·liʹsha said: “As surely as Jehovah of armies whom I serve is living, if I did not have regard for King Je·hoshʹa·phat of Judah, I would not look at you or take notice of you. 15 Now bring me a harpist.” As soon as the harpist started playing, the hand of Jehovah came on him. 16 He said, “This is what Jehovah says: ‘Dig trench after trench in this valley, 17 for this is what Jehovah says: “You will not see wind, and you will not see rain; yet this valley will be filled with water, and you will drink from it, you, your livestock, and your other animals.”’ 18 But this is a trivial thing in the eyes of Jehovah, for he will also give Moʹab into your hand. 19 You must strike down every fortified city and every choice city, you should cut down every good tree, you should stop up all the springs of water, and you should ruin every good plot of land with stones.” 20 And in the morning, at the time of the morning grain offering, water was suddenly coming from the direction of Eʹdom, and the land became filled with the water. 21 All the Moʹab·ites heard that the kings had come up to fight against them, so they called together all the men who could bear arms, and they stationed themselves at the border. 22 When they got up early in the morning, the sun was shining on the water, and to the Moʹab·ites on the opposite side, the water looked red like blood. 23 They said: “This is blood! The kings have surely slaughtered one another with the sword. So, then, to the spoil, O Moʹab!” 24 When they came into the camp of Israel, the Israelites rose up and began striking down the Moʹab·ites, who fled from them. They advanced into Moʹab, striking the Moʹab·ites down as they went. 25 They tore down the cities, and each man threw a stone into every good plot of land, filling it with stones; they stopped up every spring of water, and they cut down every good tree. Finally only the stone walls of Kir-harʹe·seth remained standing, and the slingers surrounded it and struck it down. 26 When the king of Moʹab saw that the battle was lost, he took with him 700 men armed with swords to break through to the king of Eʹdom; but they were not able to. 27 So he took his firstborn son who was going to reign in his place and offered him up as a burnt sacrifice on the wall. And there came to be great indignation against Israel, so they withdrew from against him and returned to their land.

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    27 So he took his firstborn son who was going to reign in his place and offered him up as a burnt sacrifice+ on the wall. And there came to be great indignation against Israel, so they withdrew from against him and returned to their land.

    I'm counting my time btw... lmao... time, as if.

    Mind you they were attacking moab and who/what's wrath/anger came against them??

  • _Morpheus
    _Morpheus

    Excellent questions left totally unanswered.

    also: "18 But this is a trivial thing in the eyes of Jehovah, for he will also give Moʹab into your hand. 19 You must strike down every fortified city and every choice city, you should cut down every good tree, you should stop up all the springs of water, and you should ruin every good plot of land with stones."

    The desert gods promise got off to a good start but a burnt offering stopped him. Very curious indeed

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    Its good for lurkers to know that the Desert god (yhwh, yahweh, Jehovah etc.) was not opposed to child sacrifice. Yes the scriptures did condemn it at times, but often with qualifiers like "to Molech". Instead of just "don't sacrifice your kids". There are scriptures that outright say it like that though, but this was likely due to changes in culture perception of these types of practices.

    Here is a good one from 2 Samuel for the lurkers. The desert god is punishing Israel with famine, so what's the answer?

    Problem: Desert god mad

    Solution: Human sacrafice

    21 Now there was a famine+ in the days of David for three consecutive years, so David consulted Jehovah, and Jehovah said: “There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibʹe·on·ites to death.”+ 2 So the king called the Gibʹe·on·ites+ and spoke to them. (Incidentally, the Gibʹe·on·ites were not Israelites but Amʹor·ites+ who remained, and the Israelites had sworn to spare them,+ but Saul sought to strike them down in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah.)3 David said to the Gibʹe·on·ites: “What should I do for you, and how can I make atonement, so that you will bless the inheritance of Jehovah?” 4 The Gibʹe·on·ites said to him: “It is not a matter of silver or gold+ for us in connection with Saul and his household; nor can we put any man to death in Israel.” At that he said: “Whatever you say, I will do for you.” 5 They said to the king: “The man who exterminated us and schemed to annihilate us from living anywhere in the territory of Israel+6 let seven of his sons be given to us. We will hang their dead bodies*+ before Jehovah in Gibʹe·ah+ of Saul, the chosen one of Jehovah.”+ The king then said: “I will hand them over.”

    7 However, the king showed compassion for Me·phibʹo·sheth,+ the son of Jonʹa·than the son of Saul, because of the oath made before Jehovah between David and Jonʹa·than,+ the son of Saul. 8 So the king took Ar·moʹni and Me·phibʹo·sheth, the two sons of Rizʹpah+ the daughter of Aʹiah whom she bore toSaul, and the five sons of Miʹchal*+ the daughter of Saul whom she bore to Aʹdri·el+the son of Bar·zilʹlai the Me·holʹath·ite. 9 Then he handed them over to the Gibʹe·on·ites, and they hung their dead bodies on the mountain before Jehovah.+All seven of them died together; they were put to death in the first days of harvest, at the start of the barley harvest. 10 Then Rizʹpah+ the daughter of Aʹiah took sackcloth and spread it out on the rock from the start of harvest until rain poured down from the heavens on the bodies; she did not allow the birds of the heavens to land on them by day nor the wild beasts of the field to come near by night.

    Also lets not forget Jeptha...

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