by pomegranate 145 Replies latest jw friends
How do you calculate the probability that you were born? You could say it's a quadzillion to one chance that you are here now because of all of the contingencies and coincidences involved... but somehow you are here. The probability is therefore 1. Think about it.
rem
Zech
You didn't attempt to address the question of how god came to be.
The quantum leaps superiority of the creator and the difference in nature as the Computer person in contrast to the creator makes it totally impossible to comprehend the total magnificence and intelligence and nature of the creator.
We stupidly look to understand where God came
I guess you did, in a way. You admit you don't have a clue about his nature. So, the thought of even approaching some semblance of an answer as to it's origin is a boggle of infinite proportions for you.
SS
Rem,
You seem to be saying the reproductive process is in someway analogous to the idea of something from nothing. This is absurd and you know it. There is nothing accidental or coincidental in the process. It is obviously directed by unseen forces and formed with unseen hands. The process is credited to the one who created man and woman with the marvelous capability to reproduce after its own kind.
Zechariah
Zech,
There is nothing accidental or coincidental in the process. It is obviously directed by unseen forces and formed with unseen hands. The process is credited to the one who created man and woman with the marvelous capability to reproduce after its own kind.
Do you really think there is nothing accidental about your birth? Of all of the millions of sperm your father ejaculated, you believe the one that formed the half of you was destined to unite with your mother's egg - and not just any egg... one of scores that was the perfect one to make you? Of all the times your parents had sex and decided to use contraceptive, somehow they decided not to use it or forgot at the perfect moment for you to be concieved. You believe this was on purpose to concieve you? What about all of the millions of people in the world that your parents could have mated with instead? Did some master planner guide events so they would meet so that you could have the privelege of life? And what about your parent's parents? Repeat this cycle thousands of times and try and calculate the odds of your birth. It can't be done a priori... the odds are astronomically low, but a posteriori we know the probability is 1.
rem
Edited by - rem on 16 October 2002 21:46:28
Zechariah, if "It is obviously directed by unseen forces and formed with unseen hands", then it seems to me that rem would see it long before you, for obvious reasons.
If it is so obvious, what is the deal?
You do realise that the vast majority of species that have ever existed are extinct? Do you believe each one of those was created individually by god and then done away with for some reason? Or is it just humans that are unique?
It is clear that all species were individually created. The evidence of this is the reproductive boundaries all species have to reproduce after its own kind. It is not possible for different kinds to crossbreed.
There are even boundaries amongst species of the same kind. Examples being the horse and the donkey producing a mule which is sterile. Or a lion and a tiger producing a liger which is sterile. These boundaries could only be set by a intelligent creator.
As to why certain kinds of animals have become extinct is only subject to speculation none of anybody's I would debate. It is irrelevant to te belief in creation. For certain though God allowed it and I would guess it was to teach a lesson to mankind of his responsibility to care for the animals and prevent this from continually happening.
Zechariah
Sixofnine,
If it is so obvious, what is the deal?
I don't understand your question. Are you implying the marvel of reproduction is NOT a controlled and directed process. Anyone who makes a claim o believing otherwise is being disingenuous in an effort to support a concept that is totally unsupportable.
Give us all a break. You're not fooling anybody with this.
Zechariah
Edited by - zechariah on 16 October 2002 22:33:2
Zech,
It is clear that all species were individually created. The evidence of this is the reproductive boundaries all species have to reproduce after its own kind. It is not possible for different kinds to crossbreed.
And how is this not possible through evolutionary theory? Are you saying that evolutionary theory is falsifiable because species cannot interbreed? That's an interesting argument indeed.
As to why certain kinds of animals have become extinct is only subject to speculation none of anybody's I would debate. It is irrelevant to te belief in creation.
It is not irrelevant. Such extinction is expected in the evolutionary model and is unexpected in a god-creation model. It makes no sense for a diety to create millions of life forms just to have them become extinct. Note, not just many life forms, but 99% of them.
For certain though God allowed it and I would guess it was to teach a lesson to mankind of his responsibility to care for the animals and prevent this from continually happening.
Why would a god trying to teach humans a lesson in extinction when humans had nothing to do with 99% of the extinctions. That's an awful lot of lost species just to make a point. Seems pretty inefficient for an all-knowing, all-powerful diety.
rem
Zech,
Are you implying the marvel of reproduction is NOT a controlled and directed process
Are you implying that the millions of miscarried pregnancies and deformed children are part of this controlled and directed process? Was god sleeping at the wheel all of those times?
rem
So Zechariah, God teaches us lessons by killing of 99% of the species? Aren't there way more responsible ways to get a point across?
And how could God have created all the species if there are obsevered instances of speciation?
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