An example of the way JWs are Brainwashed

by chester 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Reborn2002
    Reborn2002

    yes, but there is porn on the internet

    Typical JW response.

    Ozzie-

    You covered my thoughts exactly! The Dubs LOVE to use "guilt by association" to scare their ranks away from communicative mediums which could expose their false religion.

    The amusing thing about the whole issue is, it is so hypocritical that it would be obvious to ANY rationally thinking (oops almost forgot, Dubs are not allowed independent thought) person.

    Case in point. Yes, there is porn on the Net. Due to porn on the Net, Dubs are warned to avoid it. Yet, the WTBTS has their own official website complete with a public relations section. Is this not a case of do as we say and not as we do?

    To apply the same principle to other mediums. There is porn available on television and in film. Should Dubs avoid ALL television and film? This would also include the incredibly horrendous WTBTS public service announcement commercials and videos provided (i.e. Purple Triangles).

    There is also porn available in books as Ozzie said. So I guess that means that Dubs should avoid ALL books, including WTBTS literature <gag>.

    Vivaumus:

    Many an elder told me that universities held bad association and worldly teachings that would destroy my faith.

    Exactly! Why do you think they discourage a college education? So that an individual is incapable of independent thought and research, and subjected ONLY to WT propaganda. After all, a college education would entail learning about religion and philopsophy from all perspectives, and then making an educated choice. Cant have that in the ranks of a manipulative cult now can we?

    Furthermore, a college education brings with it a higher standard of living and the means to earn a higher income. Would not want a Dub actually enjoying life now would we?

    Watchtower -

    You fucking idiots! Day by day your lies and hypocrisy continue to be exposed.

  • JT
    JT

    Hey

    got to keep the sales numbers up-- smile

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Theres nothing very clever about Brainwashing. Keep hammering the ideas, lots of slogans that embed in the mind, and cut off external input as much as you can. Its remarkably basic. And yes, plant ideas without developing them as you pointed out. But we apostates are doing the same thing (planting seeds of thought) and waiting for them to sprout. I cant think of any instance where i have planted notions, watered them, ans waited, where fruit has not been born . (In connection with getting people out of the dubs that is) I find that talking to cult members about other cults works pretty well. Hassans method of "intervention" . If your talking to a dub, you plant thoughts about the Mormons, and if your talking to a Mormon you plant ideas about Adventism.

  • SYN
    SYN

    Reborn: That last line of your post, is exactly the way I feel, literally word for word.

  • zev
    zev

    hi chester

    its an easy trail to follow.....

    remember all those assemblies, talks and wt articles to keep us "in line" ?

    the first biggest threat i can remember was the T V ....

    then came "debasing music"

    now, a most powerful tool, and reletively cheap too...

    the internet

    they are confronting a formadable enemy, one they cannot fight, though they try.

    by using the guilt by association metheod, they scare the followers into following the head lemmings lead.

    here are a couple articles i posted sometime ago, here again, to reinforce the latest km about the "dangers of the internet" posted recently to the board.

    watch out for the internet peeps.....

    satan's gonna get ya!

    *** wt 05/00 9-10 Firmly Uphold Godly Teaching ***
    Enemies of the Truth
    8 Apostates can present yet another threat to our spirituality. The apostle Paul foretold that apostasy would arise among professed Christians. (Acts 20:29, 30; 2 Thessalonians 2:3) In fulfillment of his words, after the death of the apostles, a great apostasy led to the development of Christendom. Today, there is no great apostasy taking place among God's people. Still, a few individuals have left our ranks, and some among them are bent on defaming Jehovah's Witnesses by spreading lies and misinformation. A few work with other groups in organized resistance to pure worship. In doing so, they side with the very first apostate, Satan.
    9 Some apostates are increasingly using various forms of mass communication, including the Internet, to spread false information about Jehovah's Witnesses. As a result, when sincere individuals do research on our beliefs, they may stumble across apostate propaganda. Even some Witnesses have unwittingly exposed themselves to this harmful material. In addition, apostates occasionally take part in television or radio programs. What is the wise course to follow in view of this?
    10 The apostle John directed Christians not to accept apostates into their homes. He wrote: '~If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works." (2 John 10, 11) Avoiding all contact with these opponents will protect us from their corrupt thinking. Exposing ourselves to apostate teachings through the various means of modern communication is Just as harmful as receiving the apostate himself into our homes. Never should we allow curiosity to lure us into such a calamitous course -Proverbs 22:3.

    *** km 11/99 3-6 Use of the Internet-Be Alert to the Dangers! ***
    6 Would you invite a stranger into your home without first finding out who he is? What if there was no way to find out? Would you allow such a stranger to be alone with your children? This is an indisputable possibility on the Internet.
    7 Electronic mail can be sent to and received from people you do not know. The same is true when you converse electronically in a forum or in a chat room. Participants may at times claim to be Jehovahs Witnesses, but often they are not. Someone may claim to be a youth when he is not. Or a person may even falsely claim to be of a certain gender.
    8 Information passed on to you may come in the form of experiences or comments about our beliefs. This information is passed on to others who, in turn, pass it on to still others. The information is generally not verifiable and may be untrue. The comments may be a cover for spreading apostate reasoning.2 Thess. 2:1-3.
    9 With this danger in mind, if you use the Internet, ask yourself: What do I use it for? Is there a possibility that I could be harmed spiritually by how I am using it? Could I be contributing to the spiritual injury of others?
    10 Web Sites of Jehovahs Witnesses: Consider, for example, some Internet sites set up by individuals who claim to be Jehovahs Witnesses. They invite you to visit their sites to read experiences posted by others who claim to be Witnesses. You are encouraged to share your thoughts and views about the Societys literature. Some give recommendations about presentations that could be used in the field ministry. These sites offer chat rooms for individuals to connect to, allowing live communication with others, similar to talking on the telephone. They often point you to other sites where you can have on-line association with Jehovahs Witnesses around the world. But can you tell for certain that these contacts have not been planted by apostates?
    11 Having association via the Internet may not be consistent with the recommendation found at Ephesians 5:15-17. The apostle Paul wrote: Keep strict watch that how you walk is not as unwise but as wise persons, buying out the opportune time for yourselves, because the days are wicked. On this account cease becoming unreasonable, but go on perceiving what the will of Jehovah is.
    12 The Christian congregation is the theocratic means through which we are fed spiritually by the faithful and discreet slave. (Matt. 24:45-47) Within Gods organization, we find direction and protection to keep us separate from the world as well as motivation to keep busy in the work of the Lord. (1 Cor. 15:58) The psalmist indicated that he experienced joy and a feeling of security among Gods congregated people. (Ps. 27:4, 5; 55:14; 122:1) The congregation also provides spiritual support and assistance for those associated with it. Therein, you can find a group of loving, concerned, and caring friendspeople you personally know who are ready and willing to help and comfort others in times of distress. (2 Cor. 7:5-7) Congregation members are protected by the Scriptural provision for disfellowshipping those who sin unrepentantly or who promote apostate thinking. (1 Cor. 5:9-13; Titus 3:10, 11) Can we expect to find these same loving arrangements when associating with others via the Internet?
    13 It has become apparent that the opposite is true. Some Web sites are clearly vehicles for apostate propaganda. Such Web sites may claim otherwise, and those who sponsor a site may give a detailed explanation to affirm that they truly are Jehovahs Witnesses. They may even request information from you in order to verify that you are one of Jehovahs Witnesses.
    14 Jehovah wants you to exercise discernment. Why? Because he knows that it will safeguard you from various dangers. Proverbs 2:10-19 opens by saying: When wisdom enters into your heart and knowledge itself becomes pleasant to your very soul, thinking ability itself will keep guard over you, discernment itself will safeguard you. Safeguard you from what? From such things as the bad way, those leaving upright paths, and people who are immoral and devious in their general course.
    15 When we go to the Kingdom Hall, there is no question that we are with our brothers. We know them. No one requires authentication of this because the brotherly love manifested makes it obvious. We are not personally required to provide credentials to prove that we truly are one of Jehovahs Witnesses. It is here that we find the true interchange of encouragement that Paul spoke about at Hebrews 10:24, 25. Web sites that encourage on-line association cannot be depended on to provide this. Having in mind the words of Psalm 26:4, 5 can alert us to dangers that could easily be encountered when using Web sites on the Internet.
    16 There are no limits or checks on the kind of information that is maintained by and accessible to Internet users. Often, children and teenagers are easy targets of crime and exploitation in this environment. Children are trusting, curious, and anxious to explore the relatively new world of cyberspace. Parents therefore need to supervise their children and give them sound Scriptural guidance about using the Internet, just as they would guide them in their choice of music or movies.1 Cor. 15:33.
    17 Sadly, some who were once our brothers and sisters have had to be disfellowshipped because of association that started by meeting worldly individuals in chat rooms on the Internet and eventually led to immorality. In shocked disbelief, elders have written that some had actually left their husbands or wives to pursue a relationship that began on the Internet. (2 Tim. 3:6) Other individuals have disowned the truth because of believing information provided by apostates. (1 Tim. 4:1, 2) Given these very serious dangers, does it not seem reasonable to be cautious about becoming involved in chat sessions on the Internet? Certainly, exercising the wisdom, knowledge, thinking ability, and discernment spoken of at Proverbs 2:10-19 should safeguard us in this.
    18 Noticeably, there have been a number of individuals who have created Web sites ostensibly to preach the good news. Many of these sites are sponsored by indiscreet brothers. Other sites may be sponsored by apostates who wish to lure unsuspecting ones. (2 John 9-11) Commenting on whether there is a need for our brothers to create such Web sites, Our Kingdom Ministry, November 1997, page 3, stated: There is no need for any individual to prepare Internet pages about Jehovahs Witnesses, our activities, or our beliefs. Our official site [www.watchtower.org] presents accurate information for any who want it.
    19 Study Aids via the Internet? Some have felt that they are rendering a service to the brothers by posting researched information in connection with various theocratic activities. For example, a person may do research based on a public-talk outline and then post this, thinking that such information will benefit those who need to prepare the same outline. Others will post all the scriptures for an upcoming Watchtower Study or provide source material for the Theocratic Ministry School or the Congregation Book Study. Some may offer suggestions for field ministry presentations. Are such really helpful?
    20 The publications provided by Jehovahs organization stimulate our minds with upbuilding thoughts and train us to distinguish both right and wrong. (Heb. 5:14) Can we say that this is achieved if others do our research for us?
    21 The Beroeans were spoken of as more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica. Why? Because they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so. (Acts 17:11) Although Paul and Silas preached to them, they could not make the truth their own without becoming personally involved.
    22 Using another persons research for a talk or for other meeting preparation really defeats the purpose of personal study. Is it not your desire to build up your own personal faith in Gods Word? Based on personal conviction, you can then make public expression of your faithin your talks, in comments at the meetings, and in the field ministry. (Rom. 10:10) Using another persons research does not fit the description given at Proverbs 2:4, 5 to personally keep seeking and searching for the very knowledge of God as for hid treasures.
    23 For example, when looking up scriptures in your own copy of the Bible, you can briefly review the context of each scripture. You can trace all things with accuracy, as did Luke when he wrote his Gospel. (Luke 1:3) The extra effort will also help you to be skillful in looking up scriptures in the ministry and when giving talks. Many have stated that they are impressed with Jehovahs Witnesses because they know how to use their Bibles. The only way that this can apply to us is if we make it a practice personally to look up scriptures in our own Bibles.

  • noidea
    noidea

    Why they want you to avoid the Internet.... Internet = Free thinking Free thinking =Apostasy Why? Once you are able to decipher between truth and lies you see it for what it is. Apostasy = Truth

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    ..." THE INFORMATION SPREAD BY APOSTATES MAY BE UNTRUE"....

    Lurkers. think on the meaning of THAT one.

    Internet Information is likened to: ..."WOULD YOU ALLOW A STRANGER TO BE ALONE WITH YOUR CHILDREN"...

    Haha. The Irony...the irony....

    ...' PARTCIPANTS MAY CLAIM TO BE JEHOVAHS WITNESSES,BUT, OFTEN THEY ARE NOT"...

    anybody here claim to be a jehovahs witness??

    Edited by - refiners fire on 27 July 2002 23:5:33

    Edited by - refiners fire on 27 July 2002 23:9:8

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