by Crazyguy 15 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
I don't think the Nazi comparison works. However, ISIS troops are just like Nazi troops, what with all the genocide and warmongering.
I think maybe JWs are more like moderate muslims - both groups are mentally manipulated by cults that have harsh doctrines.
Simon: There is some opinion that the conclusions from the experiments was flawed.
You're funny. You cite the Milgram experiment, saying it, "showed that even housewives in the US would apply what they believed were lethal levels of electric shock to people they could hear screaming as long as someone in authority told them to."
Then I post two different videos confirming it and you post a news article contradicting it, saying, "the conclusions from the experiments was [sic] flawed."
Curious.
I read the Indepdent article. The gist of it is that now some researcher argue "that the meaning of the experiment has been widely misunderstood." It in no way invalidates WHAT the results of the experiment demonstrated, namely that the majority of "ordinary people will inflict extraordinary harm upon others, if someone in authority gives the orders."
Rather, these researchers--Professor Alex Haslam (University of Queensland), Professor Stephen Reicher (University of St Andrews), Professor Kathryn Millard (Macquarie University) and Professor Rachel McDonald (University of Kansas)--disagree with the motivation that people have for inflicting pain on others: "Far from being distressed by the experience, the researchers found that most volunteers said they were very happy to have participated," adding, "Far from being distressed by the experience, the researchers found that most volunteers said they were very happy to have participated."
Apparently, when someone in authority tells us to do bad things to other people, it makes us "happy" to blindly obey.
I don't see how that's better than Milgram's initial conclusion. Indeed, it maybe far, far worse.
SS troops on the offensive aka "Storm troopers" or efensive, "Schutz Staffeln" Protection units?
WT land , like Dutch land 1944 seems to be on the, scaling back, in the retreat, wimp mode.
The defenders of the SS's last stand were ruthless against the slackers, and sacrificed 14 year olds to extent the lives of the leaders by hours.
jws are like the SS in the sense that their cause is hopeless.
Very interesting experiments , and I`m not too sure whether humans are more like sheep or goats , whatever we are its quite frightening.
smiddy
Oubliette: I posted the original reference to the experiment based on memory because it seemed relevant, then came across the other article while reading up more about it. I thought it was appropriate to post that there was new opinion about what the experiments showed.
Are you suggesting this is a bad thing or somehow untoward or are you just being contrary for no good reason?
The main difference seems to be that people are motivated to do what they believe to be right. They don't necessarily do evilevil solely because of deference to authority. It shows the importance of challenging and debunking bad ideas including the ones people follow because of religion.
Simon: The main difference seems to be that people are motivated to do what they believe to be right. They don't necessarily do evil solely because of deference to authority.
I didn't get that from the Independent article. My take is that most people will supress their own conscience due to the influence of authority, not because they're evil, but because they want to please whoever is authority.
The article didn't dispute the facts about the Milgram experiment, just what motivated the majority of people to keep administering (what they believed to be) painful, even lethal, electric shocks.
Simon: It shows the importance of challenging and debunking bad ideas including the ones people follow because of religion.
It's important to keep in mind that, in academe, no one establishes a reptuation by agreeing with the status quo.
