The myth of persecution, early Christians weren't persecuted.

by jam 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • jam
    jam

    Finkeistein: maybe you can help me here.

    Ok, the Jewish leaders was out front to have Jesus put

    to death, God chosen people. Were they instrumental in the

    persecution of Christians after Jesus death. Were they (Jews-

    not the followers of Jesus) persecuted by the Romans??

    And you stated 'Constantine made new laws regarding the Jews.

    They were forbidden to own Christians slaves". Why because

    they would be mistreated. That is strange, a law passed for God's

    chosen people not to mistreat their brothers and then a law to not

    to snip off a man's private part or your slave private part, because

    you God told you so. That's a hell of a job requirement, if you

    want to work for me as a slave, you must be snipped.

    It seems to me, the Christians were a pest, asking to be persecuted.

    Those early Christians, so much like the JW today.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Jewish Persecution of Christians

    The great conflict between the Church and the Synagogue and the gradual breakdown of the immense bureaucracy of the Roman imperial government both occurred during the fourth Christian century. This breakdown and the ever-growing influence of the ecclesiastical authority on the central government is visible in the Roman legislation of the century which dealt with the actual rights and privileges of the Jewish community. The Theodosian Code, a compilation of the mid-fifth century, does not contain all the legislation previously passed, but it probably contains all that was ever enforced or not withdrawn before 438. The Theodosian Code gives accurate dates and place locations from which laws and rescripts were promulgated; from these it is possible to reconstruct the progressive decline in privileges and security suffered by the Jews in the Roman Empire from 321 to 438.

    The Theodosian Code shows us that those immunities which had been granted to the Jews by the pagan emperors, and which had made them a privileged class dwelling within the Roman world, were continued by the Christian emperors. At the opening of the fourth century Jews were classed as Roman citizens and enjoyed all the advantages of civic status. They were in every economic stratum of the empire; many were rich, many were poor. Some were merchants, others artisans, and still others farmers. They had their own cult organizations called synagogues. If any Jew did not belong to such an organization he had to pay the Roman government poll tax and sacrifice to the Roman gods. Only a Jew within the synagogal organizations could escape these munera (civic duties). The synagogues were the Jewish collegia, which themselves had to pay collegiate munera, the Fiscus Judaicus, a didrachm levied by Rome after A.D. 70 on the head of every Jew. This Fiscus was collected indirectly by the synagogues and sent to Rome. It originally had been gathered to support the Capitoline temple, but later was paid directly into the emperor s treasury. The main Jewish privilege was that Jews could not be forced to perform any task which violated their religious convictions. This meant that they were exempt from the crushing burden of the decurionate, that responsibility for the collection of imperial taxes which was gradually impoverishing the middle class of the Roman world. And Jews were neither compelled to celebrate state worship nor forced to attend pagan temples. The Jews had to perform all other liturgies and tutelae (forced donations) common to all Roman citizens.

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    At the opening of the fourth century the central Jewish administrative council, called the Sanhedrin, was very active in Palestine, and several schools were in operation there under the guidance of the Jewish nasi or patriarch. The maintenance of these institutions was a religious duty for the Jews. The money for their support, called the aurum coronarium, was collected by men called apostoli, agents of the patriarch, and deposited in the Jewish synagogues. Some Jews, such as slaves, did not support the state at all, but a Jew could be slave to another for only seven years, and it was a religious duty for Jews to free brothers enslaved by the Gentiles. Therefore it seems probable that there were very few Jewish slaves, and most Jews contributed at least something to the public welfare. As Juster shows, the economic and political position of the Jews in the Roman Empire was unique. No other group had exactly the same rights or obligations. Nevertheless, at the opening of the fourth century nothing marked the Jew off conspicuously from his neighbor. From the end of the second great revolt in Palestine, 135, to the time of Constantine, 313, most emperors and the Roman governments they represented were indifferent to the nature of Judaism.

    When Christianity was legalized in 313 and became the close ally of the Roman emperors, this indifference quickly became a thing of the past.Thus in 321 Constantine promulgated the earliest law recorded in the Theodosian Code dealing with the Jews; it begins the process of reducing their privileges and immunities. Already in this first law there is evidence of that hatred which would change the role of the Jew in a little over 100 years, from one of privileged citizenship in the Roman Empire to that of outcast.

    Much of Christian hatred toward the Jews was based on the popular misconception, amazingly enough still prevalent, that the Jews had been the active persecutors of Christians for many centuries. Juster, Parkes, and 'Williams have ably shown the fallacy of this idea concerning Jewish persecution of Christians during the first three centuries. It remains to discover whether there is any basis for the claim, often voiced in the writings of the church fathers, that the Jews were actively persecuting Christians during the crucial fourth century, thus inviting Christian hatred and retaliation.

    The following examination of the sources for fourth century Jewish history will show that the universal, tenacious, and malicious Jewish hatred of Christianity referred to by the church fathers and countless others has no existence in historical fact. The generalizations of patristic writers in support of the accusation have been wrongly interpreted from the fourth century to the present day.That individual Jews hated and reviled the Christians there can be no doubt, but there is no evidence that the Jews as a class hated and persecuted the Christians as a class during the early years of the fourth century. Jewish hatred was rather directed toward the Gentile Romans who had despoiled the Temple and kept the Jews from Jerusalem. Evidence that the Jews took no part in the great persecutions of the second, third, and fourth centuries comes not from Jewish sources nor from inference, nor from later generalization, but from the Acta Sanctorum, which records the lives of the very martyrs whose deaths are in question. The responsibility for the persecution of Christians lay completely with the Romans and not with the Jews after the first century of our era. Scattered throughout the Acta Sanctorum, however, are many references to Jewish hostility and often violence towards the Christians. An examination of those Acta involving the Jews may help to show first: how small a part of the vast number of fourth century martyrs were molested by the Jews; and second: how dangerous these documents are for use as historical evidence, since the fanciful and imaginative are inextricably entwined with the kernel of fact.

  • talesin
    talesin

    I've been reading about this too, jam.

    Finkelstein, can you reference your cut-and-paste, thanks.

  • sowhatnow
    sowhatnow

    but jews and christains were different. jesus condemed the jewish pharisees. jesus supposedly wasnt a jew by birth. he was maybe raised by one jewish and one israelite maiden? i also read there were no such peoples as israelites, they were named that later. who knows but i hope for the sake of humanity were all wrong and no one was persecuted.

  • eva luna
    eva luna

    A very interesing topic.

    When vistiing The Colosseum , my tour guide said that Christains were not killed there. It was a myth.

    This was a long time ago , I have always wondered about her comment.

  • opusdei1972
    opusdei1972

    The persecution of christians is well documented. Good for Christianity that Constantine stopped the persecution by the Milan Edict.

    The edict protected from religious persecution not only Christians but all religions, allowing anyone to worship whichever deity they chose.

    As for the above statement, it was, in fact, partialy respected, because Constantine assumed a biased attitude against Arians after the Nicaea Council (325 AD). After this Council christians showed publicly their true face by fighting between them due to the contradictions of the New Testament. A dark age began when christians started to have power in the Roman Empire. Many books were burned by fanatic christian theologians, so we have lost too much information about the past. Of course, muslims contributed for this too.

  • TheOldHippie
    TheOldHippie

    So far, Finkelstein's cur-and-paste has been nothing more than taking it from the easiest of all sources,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians

    So much for "heavy researching"

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Yes it was copy paste stuff but I wanted to show that early Chirstatins may have very well been persecuted as well prosecuted from

    out of their beliefs by the Roman ruler-ship pre Constantine in variance from Emperor to Emperor.

    That same Roman governorship also persecuted the Jews as a separate distinct sect as well.

    Self inflecting martyrdom is the key toward why this may have happened more so that other distinct religious sects at the time since

    the core inherent belief of Christianity is martyrdom by their own particular god of worship and reverence.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Zealots often go out of their way to behave in a manner that gets them "persecuted".

    It feeds the martyr complex and helps reinforce that they are "right".

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