Song #29: "Walking in Integrity" plagiarizes a song that was inspired by demons!

by Oubliette 19 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  3rdgen

  Apog, spot on! Always thought the tune was familiar when I sang it.
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  3rdgen
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  LisaRose

  Do they still sing "firm and determined"? That was a dirge if ever there was one. I remember as a teen, singing that song, a friend was sitting next to me, she leaned over and said "Just like we used to sing at the Gestapo!". It just hit me funny, I had a hard time not laughing out loud.

  Sung with vigor!

  FIRM AND DETERMINED IN THIS TIME OF THE END

  PREPARED ARE GODS SERVANT THE GOOD NEWS TO DEFEND

  THOUGH SATAN'S AGAINST US HAS VAUNTED

  IN GODS SERVICE WE KEEP ON UNDAUNED.
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  JT speaks-out

  This reminds me of something one of the girls pointed out to me in the cong I grew up in. The tune of the verses of song 42 are very similar if not the same as the song "on top of old smokey".

  Sorry, right now I can't remember the title of song 42, but I think one of the verses started something like

  "God's voice keeps on calling, oh walk in the way,

  The way that jehovah has shown us today."
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  AFRIKANMAN

  Now this has got to be one of the finest and best presented topics in a long time !!!!

  So happy to discover 2 at least and there are many more of you - who are Muso's too !!!

  Oubliette your presentation is spot on - both Wifey and I [we are both University trained Muso's ] agree

  And Compound Complex got a hint elsewhere on this Forum that you too are not only Linguistically sound but sound in music too [Puns intended!]

  For years we have said that this song is just like Stella by Starlight but your detailed analysis confirms much more .......! Its a knock-off !

  Sorry Neonmadman - while I strongly agree that it is possible for us to inadvertantly pen a piece of music because we just happen to carry thousands of tunes around in our heads I think the "evidence" so well presented here tends to favour a knock-off. Dont be offended. There is another song which sounds like the start of the Aussie National Anthem [Just cant put finger on the name and #]

  CC and Apognophos well done on digging up the Mindy Carson / #72 one - Boy you guys are fast..........................this is what happens with a "Diseased Mind" you know !!!!!!

  BTW who else here is a musician ?

  Regards

  Cape Town

  South Africa
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  dozy

  Good research , thanks.
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  Dis-Member

  This does not necessarily mean this song was plagiarized at all. Many songs sound just like other songs and use the same harmonies.. There are a million songs that share the same chordal harmonies right across different genres without any ripping off having taken place.

  Sorry but no one has copyright on harmony.

  The I–V–vi–IV chord progression for example is one of the most common and heavily used in modern music. e.g: C G Am F.
  It's used in all these songs.. Yet none of these artists are accusing each other of ripping the other off.

  List of songs containing the I–V–vi–IV progression

  "21 Guns"	Green Day	2009	vi–IV–I–V
  "'39"	Queen	1975	I–V–vi–IV
  "4th of July"	Amy Macdonald	2012	IV–I–V–vi; vi–IV–I–V
  "Africa" [ 2 ]	Toto	1983	vi–IV–I–V
  " Aïcha "	Khaled	1996	vi-IV-I-V
  "Air Hostess"	Busted	2004	I–V–vi–IV
  "All I Ever Wanted"	Basshunter	2008	iv–V–I–IV
  "All of Me"	John Legend	2013	vi–IV–I–V
  "All of the Stars"	Ed Sheeran	2014	I–V–vi–IV
  "All Too Well"	Taylor Swift	2012	I–V–iv–V
  "Already Gone"	Kelly Clarkson	2009	I–V–vi–IV
  "Always on My Mind"	Brenda Lee	1972	I–V–vi–IV
  "Another Girl, Another Planet"	The Only Ones	1978	I–V–vi–IV
  "Apologize (song)"	One Republic	2006	vi–IV-I-V
  "Ave Mary A"	P!nk	2009	I–V–vi–IV
  "Beautiful"	Akon feat. Colby O'Donis and Kardinal Offishall	2009	vi–IV–I–V
  "Breakeven"	The Script	2008	IV–I–V–vi
  "Black Widow"	Children of Bodom	1998	vi-IV-I-V
  "Bridge of Light"	P!nk	2011	I–V–vi–IV; vi–IV–I–V
  "Brighter Than the Sun"	Colbie Caillat	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "Building a Mystery"	Sarah McLachlan	1997	vi–IV–I–V
  "Bullet"	Hollywood Undead	2011	I–V–vi–IV
  "California King Bed"	Rihanna	2011	I–V–vi–IV
  "Can You Feel the Love Tonight"	Elton John	1994	I–V–vi–IV
  "Cliche Love Song"	Basim	2014	I–V–vi–IV
  " Come Back... Be Here "	Taylor Swift	2012	I–V–vi–IV
  "Come Over"	Kenny Chesney	2012	vi–IV–I–V
  " Con te partirò "	Andrea Bocelli	1995	I–V–vi–IV
  "Cruise (song)"	Florida Georgia Line	2012	I–V–vi–IV
  "Dammit"	Blink-182	1997	I–V–vi–IV
  "Demons"	Imagine Dragons	2012	I–V–vi–IV
  "Don't Forget Me"	Red Hot Chili Peppers	2002	vi–IV–I–V
  "Don't Matter"	Akon	2006	I–V–vi–IV
  "Don't Stop Believin'"	Journey	1981	I–V–vi–IV
  "Don't Trust Me"	3OH!3	2008	vi–IV–I–V
  "Don't You Wanna Stay"	Jason Aldean and Kelly Clarkson	2010	I–V–vi–IV; vi–IV–I–V
  "Double Rainbow Song"	The Gregory Brothers	2010	vi–IV–I–V
  "Down"	Jay Sean feat. Lil Wayne	2009	IV–I–V–vi
  "Dragostea Din Tei"	O-Zone	2003	IV–I–V–vi
  "Drive By"	Train	2012	IV–I–V–vi; vi–IV–I–V
  "Dynamite"	Taio Cruz	2010	vi–IV–I–V
  "Electrical Storm"	U2	2002	vi–IV–I–V
  "Feeling This"	Blink-182	2003	I–V–vi–IV
  "For the First Time"	The Script	2010	I–V–vi–IV; vi–IV–I–V
  "Four Chords"	The Axis of Awesome	2011	I–V–vi–IV; vi–IV–I–V
  "From Yesterday"	Thirty Seconds to Mars	2005	I–V–vi–IV
  "F**kin' Perfect"	P!nk	2010	I–V–vi–IV
  "Give Me Everything"	Pitbull feat. Ne-yo, Afrojack, and Nayer	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "Glycerine"	Bush	1994	I–V–vi–IV
  "Gomenasai"	t.A.T.u.	2006	vi–IV-I–V
  "Good Life"	OneRepublic	2010	vi–IV–I–V
  "Good Time"	Owl City and Carly Rae Jepsen	2012	IV–I–V–vi
  "Grenade"	Bruno Mars	2010	vi–IV–I–V
  "Hands"	Jewel	1998	vi–IV–I–V
  "Hair"	Lady Gaga	2011	I–V–vi–IV
  "Hall of Fame"	The Script feat. will.i.am	2012	vi–IV–I–V
  "Happy Ending"	Mika	2007	I–V–vi–IV
  "Head Over Feet"	Alanis Morissette	1996	I–V–vi–IV
  "Heart Attack"	Demi Lovato	2013	IV–I–V–vi
  "Hearts of Olden Glory"	Runrig	1987	vi–IV–I–V
  "Hey Brother"	Avicii	2013	vi–IV–I–V
  "Hide and Seek"	Imogen Heap	2005	I–V–vi–IV
  "Higher Love"	Steve Winwood	1986	IV–I–V–vi
  "Home"	Phillip Phillips	2012	IV–I–V–vi; vi–IV–I–V
  "Hurt"	Nine Inch Nails	1995	vi–IV–I–V
  "Hurt"	Johnny Cash	2003	vi–IV–I–V
  "I Hope You Dance"	Lee Ann Womack	2000	vi–IV–I–V
  "I Just Had Sex"	The Lonely Island feat. Akon	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "I Was Here"	Beyoncé	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "If I Were a Boy"	Beyoncé	2008	vi–IV–I–V
  "If I Lose Myself"	OneRepublic vs Alesso	2013	I–V–vi–IV
  "If We Ever Meet Again"	Timbaland feat. Katy Perry	2010	I–V–vi–IV
  "I'm Yours"	Jason Mraz	2008	I–V–vi–IV
  " In My Head "	Jason Derülo	2009	vi–IV–I–V
  "International Love"	Pitbull feat. Chris Brown	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "Jack Sparrow"	The Lonely Island feat. Michael Bolton	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "Just a Dream"	Nelly	2010	vi–IV–I–V
  "Kaze wa Fuiteiru"	AKB48	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "Let Her Go"	Passenger	2013	IV–I–V–vi
  "Let It Be"	The Beatles	1970	I–V–vi–IV
  "Let It Go	Idina Menzel	2013	I–V–VI–iv
  "Little Baby Nothing"	Manic Street Preachers	1992	I–V–vi–IV
  "Little Talks"	Of Monsters and Men	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "Love Me"	Justin Bieber	2009	vi–IV–I–V
  "Love the Way You Lie"	Eminem feat. Rihanna	2010	vi–IV–I–V
  "Mad World"	Tears for Fears	1982	vi–IV–I–V
  "Marilyn Monroe"	Nicki Minaj	2012	vi–IV–I–V
  "Miracle"	Cascada	2004	vi–IV–I–V
  "Motorcycle Emptiness"	Manic Street Preachers	1992	I–V–vi–IV
  "Não Me Toca"	Anselmo Ralph	2012	vi–IV–I–V
  "No One"	Alicia Keys	2007	I–V–vi–IV
  "No Woman, No Cry"	Bob Marley	1974	I–V–vi–IV
  "Nobody's Perfect"	Miley Cyrus	2007	vi–IV–I–V
  "Not Afraid"	Eminem	2010	vi–IV–I–V
  "Numb"	Linkin Park	2003	vi–IV–I–V
  "On the Floor"	Jennifer Lopez feat. Pitbull	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "Once in a Lifetime"	Gregorian	1991	I–V–vi–IV
  "One of Us	Joan Osborne	1995	vi–IV–I–V
  "Only Teardrops"	Emmelie de Forest	2013	vi–IV–I–V
  "Otherside"	Red Hot Chili Peppers	2000	vi–IV–I–V
  "Paparazzi"	Lady Gaga	2009	I–V–vi–IV
  "Paradise"	Coldplay	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "Peace of Mind"	Boston	1977	vi–IV–I–V
  "Pieces"	Sum 41	2005	vi–IV–I–V
  "Poker Face"	Lady Gaga	2008	vi–IV–I–V
  "Pork and Beans"	Weezer	2008	I–V–vi–IV
  "Quelqu'un m'a dit"	Carla Bruni	2003	I–V–vi–IV
  "Ready or Not"	Bridgit Mendler	2012	vi–IV–I–V
  "Replay"	Iyaz	2009	vi–IV–I–V
  "Rise"	McClain Sisters	2012	vi–IV–I–V
  "Roses Are Red"	Aqua	1996	vi–IV–I–V
  "Run"	Snow Patrol	2004	I–V–vi–IV
  "San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)"	Scott McKenzie	1967	vi–IV–I–V
  "Save Tonight"	Eagle Eye Cherry	1997	vi–IV–I–V
  "Say Something"	A Great Big World	2013	vi–IV–I–V
  "Scenic World"	Beirut	2006	I–V–vi–IV
  "Science & Faith"	The Script	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "Self Esteem"	The Offspring	1994	vi–IV–I–V
  "Six Degrees of Separation"	The Script	2012	vi–IV–I–V
  "Skyscraper"	Demi Lovato	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "Snow (Hey Oh)"	Red Hot Chili Peppers	2006	I–V–vi–IV; vi–IV–I–V
  "Song for Zula"	Phosphorescent	2013	I–V–vi–IV
  "Someone Like You"	Adele	2011	I–V–vi–IV
  "So Lonely"	The Police	1978	I–V–vi–IV
  "Soul To Squeeze"	Red Hot Chili Peppers	2001	vi–IV–I–V
  "Sparks Fly"	Taylor Swift	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "Stakkels Jim"	Gasolin	1974	I–V–vi–IV
  "Stand"	Rascal Flatts	2007	vi–IV–I–V
  "Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You)"	Kelly Clarkson	2012	vi–IV–I–V
  "Suteki Da Ne"	RIKKI	2001	I–V–vi–IV
  "Take Me Home, Country Roads"	John Denver	1971	I–V–vi–IV
  "Tears of the Dragon"	Bruce Dickinson	1994	vi–IV–I–V
  "That Was a Crazy Game of Poker"	O.A.R.	1997	vi–I–V–IV
  "The Edge of Glory"	Lady Gaga	2011	I–V–vi–IV
  "The Island"	Pendulum	2010	vi–IV–I–V
  "The Kids Aren't Alright"	The Offspring	1999	vi–IV–I–V
  "The Lazy Song"	Bruno Mars	2011	I–V–vi–IV
  "The Man Who Can't Be Moved"	The Script	2008	vi–IV–I–V
  "The Rock Show"	Blink-182	2001	I–V–vi–IV; vi–IV–I–V
  "The Scientist"	Coldplay	2002	vi–IV–I–V
  "This Is Me"	Demi Lovato and Joe Jonas	2008	vi–IV–I–V
  "This Is My Life"	Gasolin	1976	I–V–vi–IV
  "Too Cool"	Meaghan Jette Martin	2008	vi–IV–I–V
  "Tuesday's Gone"	Lynyrd Skynyrd	1973	I–V–vi–IV
  "Try"	P!nk	2012	IV–I–V–vi; vi–IV–I–V
  "U + Ur Hand"	P!nk	2006	vi–IV–I–V
  "Umbrella"	Rihanna	2007	IV–I-V-vi
  "Unconditionally"	Katy Perry	2013	vi–IV–I–V
  "Under the Bridge"	Red Hot Chili Peppers	1992	I–V–vi–IV
  "Wake Me Up"	Avicii feat. Aloe Blacc	2013	vi–IV–I–V
  "Wagon Wheel"	Old Crow Medicine Show	2004	I–V–vi–IV
  "Walks Like Rihanna"	The Wanted	2013	I–V–vi–IV
  "We Are Never Getting Back Together"	Taylor Swift	2012	I–V–vi–IV
  "We Found Love"	Rihanna feat. Calvin Harris	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "What's My Age Again?"	Blink-182	1999	I–V–vi–IV
  "What I Go to School For"	Busted	2003	I–V–vi–IV
  "When Can I See You Again?"	Owl City	2012	I–V–vi–IV
  "Whenever, Wherever"	Shakira	2001	vi-IV-I-V
  "When I Come Around"	Green Day	1993	I–V–vi–IV
  "Where is the Love?"	The Black Eyed Peas	2003	I–V–vi–IV
  "Wherever You Will Go"	The Calling	2001	I–V–vi–IV
  "Whiskey Girl"	Toby Keith	2003	I–V–vi–IV
  "Whistle"	Flo Rida	2012	vi–IV–I–V
  "Who You Are"	Jessie J	2011	vi–IV–I–V
  "With or Without You"	U2	1987	I–V–vi–IV
  "Wrecking Ball"	Miley Cyrus	2013	I–V–vi–IV
  "You're Not Sorry"	Taylor Swift	2008	vi–IV–I–V
  "Zombie"	The Cranberries	1994	vi–IV–I–V
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  Terry

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrs6x6iqeF0

  I spent two years deconstructing Kingdom Melodies while in Federal Prison for the purpose

  of arranging the songs for our prison instruments. I became "intimately" familiar with the favorites.

  I also began my self-education for how composers "build" the architecture for their creations.

  There are many tropes which serve as a kind of WELL in which composers frequently dip.

  These are a context and framework which suggest inevitability in the mind. Folk songs, for example, borrow

  unifying elements from one another.

  Well, blah blah blah . . .

  This isn't interesting to anybody but O.C.D. musicians, I suspect.

  More to the point . . .

  I understand what you are saying when you make your point about Walking in Integrity and Stella by Starlight, but I disagree

  with your conclusions. Why? Because the kinship in melody and harmonic structure aren't OUT THERE tickling our awareness with

  a "wink wink-nudge nudge". There is a grit-your-teeth-and-concentrate-hard-at-THIS particular moment . . . and oops . . its gone.

  A case can be made--ARTIFICIALLY for a great many similar moments in famous songs.

  http://nypost.com/2013/10/31/what-a-rip-off-6-cases-of-alleged-musical-plagiarism/

  It is not unusual for composers consciously to superimpose one thing over another and vamp.

  It is a musical tradition. "Borrowings" from folk tunes is something the greatest composers did in the past.

  Dvorak's NEW WORLD SYMPHONY is filled with this.

  Tchaikovsky's CAPRICCIO ITALIAN as well.

  Thousands of classical pieces contain bits of other things like a patchwork quilt.

  RACHMANINOV's "Variations on a theme by Paganini" is, of course, a direct shout out to the origin of the original theme's composer.

  But, nobody listening to what Rachmaninov has created can say he stole anything. He merely "moved the pieces around" and came up

  with brilliant new things which embody the ghost of old things.

  None of this really matters as long as you end up with TWO separate entities which each stand on their own. I.M.H. O.

  The thing is . . . SLIPPAGE is a part of the creative process. You take elements which exist already and you MOVE those pieces about

  adjusting them until you have come up with something new enough to be "true."
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  Terry

  Here is something I did as an experiment.

  I used an existing piece of music as a "template" for the second piece without trying to

  hide the overlap in style, orchestration, etc.

  FIRST here is my "original" rip-off which I'll call THE WHACK

  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1595587/Barryesques/The%20Whack.mp3

  And now here is the original piece: THE KNACK (by John Barry)

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhuC1MHTp90

  ONE MORE:

  This is a use of the iconic THE PERSUADERS theme by transformation of the obvious template.

  The melody is completely new--but, it is obvious what the source is.

  My title: THE DISUADERS

  https://soundcloud.com/muzikmaven/the-disuaders

  The original by John Barry

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r5Xn1x9npE
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  Jeannette

  Thank you, Oubliette. Great research, keep up the good work. You know the Bible is filled with plagarism also.