This will be a GREAT organization!

by Kensho 27 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • John_Mann

    It would be WhateverTower.

    The world are full of such organizations there's no need to create a new one.

    Just shut the doors and say good bye.

    You can't reform the WT like you can't polish a turd.

  • Ucantnome

    Take a Pioneer off the list and see if they continue to put in Pioneer hours. Without the title to go along with the "self-sacrifice", no JW will expend the effort...ever.

    i had no interest in the title pioneer and the reason i stopped was i couldn't make the hours anymore . (approx 110/120 a month) i was still activate at the weekends and in the week even on my holiday. it changed later when my work became more erratic. when i was a kid i done pioneer days and i wasn't the best sort of pioneer. I think others were much more committed to the preaching than me.

  • AndDontCallMeShirley

    @ DoT: ADCMS said:"No JWs...donate to charities."
    Just have to point out, that is completely untrue. I have done, and still do. So do some of my friends and family that are Witnesses. No need to exaggerate, you're more intelligient than that.

    Point taken. I was going off personal experience and observation. The JWs I've known consider donations to the WT to be the best, and only, way to give money to "charity". ' "Worldly" charities are corrupt, so why give them money?', etc.

    I was not intentionally exaggerating, but I did make an unfair blanket statement.

  • done4good

    Impossible. Everything you mention is incompatible with an authoritarian high control group.

    Stop dreaming.


  • Focus

    I sent the Watchturd to Mythbusters, who are good at polishing things:

    However, they said it was far too degraded to be salvaged - even if it was a floater.


    What's needed is not Polish but Flush.



    ("Turd-Flushing" Class)

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  • Fernando

    Except it is "organisation" that keeps getting in the way of "relationship".

    As Bill Maher explained:

    "I'm not an atheist. There's a really big difference between an atheist and someone who just doesn't believe in religion. Religion to me is a bureaucracy between man and God that I don't need. But I'm not an atheist, no."

    As Jesus explained:

    (Matthew 7:22, 23, NWT) . . .Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! . . .

    (John 17:3, RNWT) This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

    As Charles Taze Russell warned:

    "Beware of organization. It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need. Do not seek to bind others' consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours." ( Concerning profitable meetings, Zion's Watch Tower, September 15, 1895 )

  • villagegirl

    Kensho - The List

    (11) Admit that the scripture about the (two) faithful slaves

    apply to everybody, and the "Talents" are personal resources

    we all have and how we use them. Admit that this scripture

    is not about creating some "special governing body" hierarchy

    of central control which is never mentioned in the Bible.

    (12) Change the Memorial to an actual; universal, for all, taking

    of bread and wine, participated in by anyone who accepts

    Christ as the Messiah and their savior, as Jesus intended.

    (13) Proclaiming the only name by which you are saved

    is Jesus Christ as it states in the Bible.

    (14) Change the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation to the

    symbolic number it is, as are all numbers in Revelation.

    (15) Start applying the Matthew 24:35 scripture of " I was

    hungry and you fed me, naked and you clothed me" to direct

    all Christians to do those things by acts of real charity and

    not apply it to giving service to eight magic men at Headquarters.

    (16) Never ever use the word "organization" or "society" again

    since these words are not in The Bible and the concepts of

    "central control" and an "organization" you have to "associated with"

    was done away with by Jesus Christ, when he died and the

    Temple curtain to the Most Holy was torn in two, it was over.

    Our only mediator is Christ, one on one, no men needed.

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