Franz

gypsyqueen

Hi, my new friends. Question: Who is Ray Franz? I have seen the name bantied around abit but now I can't find him. What did he do?

dungbeetle

http://www.freeminds.org/history/critical.htm

2 paragraphs:

The straw that eventually broke the camel's back began to materialize in 1965. For some time, the third President of the Watchtower, N. H. Knorr, had wanted to print a Bible dictionary, later known and published as the Aid To Bible Understanding. Originally Raymond Franz, the nephew of Fred Franz (fourth WT president), was assigned to accumulate data for this work. Later, it was necessary to add four more men to this project, making a committee of five. Two of these, Ray Franz and Lyman Swingle, later became members of the Governing Body. Edward Dunlap, registrar for the Gilead School, also researched material for this project.

In his book Crisis of Conscience (p. 20-27) Raymond Franz tells of the research he undertook regarding the dating system, which is based upon the cornerstone of 1914 as being the end of the "Gentiles Times," a period supposedly running for 2520 years since 607 BC. Franz tells of how he sent his personal secretary (Charles Ploeger) to visit the New York City libraries to try and substantiate this date for the destruction of Jerusalem. No such evidence was forthcoming. Instead, the date 587-586 BC was reinforced. Later, in 1977, a Swedish Witness elder sent a great deal of documentation based upon the cuneiform tablets (over 10,000) found in the Mesopotamian area that dated back to the time of ancient Babylon, which tablets substantiated, not 607 BC, but 20 years later as the destruction of Jerusalem. As Mr. Franz states in his book, "Much of the time and space (under the Aid book heading of `Chronology') was spent in trying to weaken the credibility of the archeological and historical evidence that would make erroneous our 607 BC date and give a different starting point for our calculations and therefore an ending date different from 1914." Franz and his secretary even took a trip to Brown University in Rhode Island to interview Prof. Abraham Sachs, a specialist in ancient cuneiform texts, in an attempt to find a weakness or flaw in the historical evidence. Not one possibility existed of such evidence being erroneous. Yet, Franz felt obligated to write the article in the Aid book without revealing all of the facts, as the rest of the Governing Body refused to reconsider the matter.

BEFORE YOU TRY AND REMOVE THE STICK FROM MY ARSE, REMOVE THE TELEPHONE POLE FROM YOUR OWN ARSE.

ballistic

He was a former member of the governing body, who became one of us and wrote the book "crisis of conscence"

gypsyqueen

Oh, yeah. I ordered the new book by Diane Wilson, "Awakening of a Jehovah's Witness". Can't wait to read it.

Celia

Who is Ray Franz ?????
Read Crisis of Conscience, by Ray Franz
and you'll find out !

MikeMusto

He was a member of this board. But Simon quickly
deactived him before his first post. [8>]

one

He was branch overseer in Puerto Rico and then in Dominican Republic, Where he had to face the Generalisimo, one of the most powerfull and feared strong man in Latin America, he had the ability and resources to overthow Castro, he won a couple fitghts against Castro he even killed CIA agents and laughed about it, just like that. His son and his son in law, Porfirio Rubirosa (a paradigm for world class play boy) used to run around with the "best" and most famous women in the world.

JW were even banned there, and a coupled were killed, Ray was in shaky grounds. He could 'feel' the gun on his back while sleeping. JW were somewhat considered communist.

Ray was called by Knorr around 1964 to work at Bethel and then became a GB member his uncle was already at the top as THE VP, Fred Franz, seems like Knorr was grooming Ray, after all Ray's uncle was the chief spiritual architec (oracle) for the WT.

Ray was not willing to put up with all the crap and had a crisis of conscience, the rest is painfull history. Just read his 2 books www.commentarypress.com

An anecdote.
As a very young man at a circuit assembly in NYC i was not properly dressed for the ocassion, wearing an sport jacket!

All of the sudden I see Ray Franz, i had no choice but say hello to him. I though he would ignore me and/or look down on me because of the way i was dressed and tell me a thing or two. Our family was very close to him and his wife and i know how the internal social system works. And i also know how most 'annointed' are...

What a surprise he chatted with me for a while and asked about several family members etc. He still do. I could not beleive it. What a relief. He is the only 'annointed' i could ever relate to as a young man. The rest looked strange to me, specially Fred, out of reality. Now i know why.

Bang

He was a member of this board. But Simon quickly
deactived him before his first post.

For real? How come?

Bang

Kismet

Some people jsut cannot give a straight answer.. sigh.

Ray Frans was the nephew of Fred Franz one time president of the Watchtower Society. He served on the governing body for a number of years until he ass removed and disfellowshipped over dubious charges.

The best way to learn about him is through his books.

I hope that helps.

kismet

PS - He was never a member of any public forum to my knowledge but I can't hel but wonder abotu Mr. Chelsea boys's issues over deletions...NYT??

Simon

That wasn't really Ray Franz who registered on the forum - it was a duplicate account created by a trouble maker.

The real Ray Franz would of course be welcome here anytime, like many other people I owe him a great deal.

Franz

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