Are You a 607 BCE Specialist?

by God_Delusion 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • God_Delusion

    Hi guys & gals,

    We're currently preparing for the season finale of the show (to be recorded on Sunday, May 24th at 2pm Eastern Time NYC / 6pm UK Time / 4am Sydney Time.

    As we're going to (finally) be covering 607 BCE in detail, we're looking for a specialist (or two) that can come on the show and tell everyone about this almighty doctrine.

    If you know your 587 from your 607 and why the 1914 and 1919 dates are important to JWs (although most have no idea why), please send us an email to [email protected], using "I'm a 607er" in the subject line and let us know why we should pick you as a guest on the season finale.

    Can't wait to hear from you!

    Love,JW Podcast Gang

    PS. We have approached Carl O. Jonsson, author of the great book The Gentile Times Reconsidered, but due to health problems, he can't make it. We want you to shine in his place :-)

  • DarioKehl

    Oh 607 is a great topic and I look forward to you guys explaining the controversy and massive error of this doctrine in an easily understandable manner.

    I do have an unrelated question though: I noticed on JW dot bOrg yesterday that they had the trademark TM next to their logo. Is that just a bluff or did they finally trademark that design? If they did, can they come after your logo or try to shut you down for imitating theirs? (Don't wanna derail your thread topic, so feel free to PM)

    Season finale? Oh no! How long is the break going to be? (That's fine; you guys are doing an awesome job and deserve time off. Enjoy your summer!)

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  • Ucantnome

    Are You a 607 BCE Specialist?


  • SAHS

    I have read Carl Olof Jonsson’s famous book, The Gentile Times Reconsidered, and I must say that with Mr. Jonsson’s most methodical, thorough, and logical work, there is absolutely nothing to worry about in refuting the WT’s uniquely idiosyncratic 607 doctrine. It completely and absolutely blows the WT’s 607 thing to smithereens!

    It’s just another example of how the WT likes to be able to say that they’re the only “religion” in the whole world which advocates a particular interpretation of scripture . . . . similar to their erroneous blood transfusion policy. But, of course, being different from everybody else doesn’t necessarily win any brownie points for doctrinal accuracy or spiritual integrity!

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot

    If you're going to mention 1914 you should note that the original teaching was that the "last days" were from 1799 - 1914. Armageddon was supposed to be a 40 year span of time from 1874 - 1914 and 1914 was supposed to be the start of the Millennium (with no catastrophes then).

    Sorry I don't have the citations but it can all be found in Charles Russell 6 book series. The book The Time is at Hand would be the major source of information on that.

    As SAHS mentioned, The Gentile Times Reconsidered is the best book on that issue. It is available as a free PDF:

  • Rattigan350

    I am a specialist on it.

    The Gentile Times Reconsidered is not a great book because he does not reconsider anything. He just tries to prove that 587 is the destruction of Jerusalem. But if he was reconsidering the Gentile Times, he would know that the Gentile times did not start at the destruction of Jerusalem, though that was taught by the organization since Russell. He, like the WTBTS, can't see the forest through the trees.

    The Gentile times started when the kings in the line of David lost their sovereignty. That happened prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in 587. The Bible says that Jerusalem was invaded and David was taken captive in the 3rd year of Jehoiakim, whose reign started 22 or 23 years prior to the destruction of Jerusalem. That invasion and Daniel was taken in 607 BCE and that started the Gentile Times because the king in the line of David became a vassel of the Babylonian king and thus was not sovereign anymore. Jehovah's throne was not subserviant to Babylon.

    Daniel knew of Jeremiah's prophesy of the 70 years of captivity. He knew when that would end because he knew when that started because he was there when it started. The 70 years ended in 537 and started in 607, when Daniel was taken

  • bradford
    I would recommend dismantling the society's two part "When was ancient Jerusalem Destroyed: Part 1" ...and "Part 2" articles. Their defense is funny when you start breaking it down line by line.
  • MarkSutter
    I'd say talk to jcanon, but you'd end up with a ten part series
  • FayeDunaway

    My answer to your question is a NO.

    but I'm curious why the society hasn't conceded they got the 607 date wrong, because wouldn't that give them 20 more years of 'this generation', moving the date from 1914 to 1934? Yeah, they lose the WWI coincidence, but they gain 20 years for their false prophesy.

    Any thoughts on this? Am I missing something?

    (oh, besides the fact that they don't outright admit their own mistakes)

    i think they could blame someone else, like "historians previously believed 607 to be the date Jerusalem was destroyed, but we have discovered that it was actually 587...". I think this would get the rank and file REALLY excited, and they would have a new date to work with, which is what they really want anyway. This organization LIVES on dates and that has been their obsession since the start. They could nullify their silly generation overlap thing, and, for 10 to 20 years, keep the singular generation thing going.

    I actually don't remember how to calculate 1914 using 607, have thrown away my old live forever books, and am probably missing something big...

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