When A Whole Branch Went Wrong!! - Part 2

by singsongboi 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • singsongboi
    singsongboi

    When A Whole Branch Went Bad ! Part 2.

    I cannot recall all the steps in the growth to commercialism in the australian branch.

    but, i was told that things were well advanced in the use of volunteer labour for commercial work by the time that Rutherford visited Australia... when was that? It's all going hazy, and i no longer care to research... but, i think it was 1935.

    Norm Clifton who lived in Concord (and is now dead) and spent most of his witness life in "Central" Congregation, told me that he believed that Rutherford was steered well away from these commercial activities. With the benefit of hindsight and the stuff i've read here, I wonder, if the good judge would have been so upset as Norm thought he would be.

    Whatever, I have known about these years in the late 30's has long since leaked out of my head.... so if someone else could add to them, that would be great.

    By the time that WW2 commenced, the WTS in oz, had many commercial activities... including a thriving roadside stall right next to an army camp on the outskirts of sydney. The roadside stall was part of the kingdom farm, a property the WTS had come to own, in what some brothers thought were dubious circumstances. (Again, i have forgotten the details).

    In later years that kingdom farm became the site for the new branch office for the WTS, and the Strathfield property was sold. Going past Strathfield on a train recently, I noticed nearly all the buildings on the site had been torn down. High rise apartment blocks were rising in their place.

    The one exception is the old home itself, built by a sea captain, it surely has a heritage order on it.

    But back to the roadside stall -- it became controversial when war came, and the Jws "no-fight" policy became known-- but as some said, "you won't fight, but you will sell stuff to our soldiers"..!!!

    My father felt that way and when i became a witness kept reminding me of it often.

    Behind the scenes, tho, there were certainly unchristian activities. I think beyond a doubt, the brother in charge was running a SP betting ring (on his own account-not for the society), and emotionally abused many of the brothers and sisters (usually young men & women, who had woanted to pioneer) assigned to work there. Years later pioneering in Charlestown congregation, Newcastle, we came to know one such sister. Just a kid, she landed in situations where whe was under the control of psychopaths. I do not think she ever recovered emotionally from the time she spent at the kingdom farm.

    The war gave a big filip to WTS enterprises.. able bodied men were away, but NOT JW able bodied men. They were available to work in all sorts of building and engineering activities... all as volunteers of course. But the charge-out rates for building work were not based on volunteer allowances.

    Shops were built and renovated, bridges were built. If there was a quid in it -- bro Mc would be in it.

    I have no idea how much money the WTS made from these activities. Does anyone else? The information must be somewhere.

    One of the strangest incidents of this period (as i mentioned on another thread) was the shooting of bro Mc, by a military guard.

    The WTS had been proscribed, as a treasonous organisation by the australian government.

    They were prohibited from using the factory portions of the buildings at Strathfield, but were able to live in in the residential sections.

    But secretly, some sections of the buildings were accessed and printing of publications were continued. The guys who did that were very proud of themselves.

    Somehow, one night, bro Mc was challenged by a guard and shot through the chest. He survived. Many could tell a story about those days, but i always felt that there was more behind this story than was told. It could have been something simple tho, like being too drunk to know what was happening.

    btw, i came to know bro mc's former secretary very well... she was adamant that Mc was a veri spiritual man and a faithful brother.

    as already related, nathan knorr came to australia in 1945, a six gun in each hand to clean up the wicked work in oz.

    In short time a recent gilead graduate, floyd garret, became branch overseer. There were some others (even bro. mc again if i remember correctly, for a brief time) and a few years later theodore jarasc.

    so what ws the big sin that caused the dressing dowsn by knorr in 1945 -- simpy descibed, it was commercialism (materialism.

    was it really a sin to raise money by the means i have described? Now, i would say NO!. Religious groups have always had the problem of raising money and have at time used the methods the oz branch used in that period.

    but, there were bad aspects of it... principally, the type of people used to run these projects were often pyschopathic. great harm was done to many emotionally!

    You can read references to this period in some WT publications...but none will tell you anything like the above. It should be recorded. Help if you can.

    The above is a very sketchy outline of that period. AS I said, I have already forgotten so much. Most of the people who lived and worked through these events are already dead.

    But it would be great if anyone still remembers them, to record whatever possible, before the march of time eliminates all those who knew of those days.

    Future generations of sociologists will be very grateful.

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    Most of this is all hearsay. My family were JWs from the 1930s (my grandmother was in the Western cong), were personally familar with many Bethelites and nothing like this was even hinted at.

    Where did you get this info from, singsongboi?

  • jwsons
    jwsons

    Singsongboi,
    Would you mind referring the link to your First Part of this article?
    I missed it.
    jwsons

  • singsongboi
    singsongboi

    well, prisca, i am sure that many people in oz would like to pretend that this never happened (just like 1975). jws. have the ability to deny that bad things happened.

    Others will minimise it, and pass it off with the phrase "well, there were a few problems".

    The information was still common knowledge, at the time that i came into the truth (1953). i did not have to go search for it... lot's of brothers would openly discuss it.

    i should say that it did not stumble me! and i present it now simply as something that should be recorded before all those who witnessed it die off.

    All those who were in the truth in oz, during the 30's & 40's knew about it.

    Everyone in the truth in sydney, heard nathan knorr talk about it in his address at sydney town hall in 1945.

    Your grandmother would know about it..go ask her directly. western (granville) congregation was close enough to strathfield bethel, as you say.

    lot's of well known names in oz, came thru that period, some on the 'bad' side (from NY's viewpoint), some on the good side.

    on the "good side" - i've mentioned two in recent days..

    bill schneider and norm clifton who both refused to be involved in commerc ial activities.

    of course, the number of survivors, is falling fast. people in their 20's in 1940, are now in their 80's if still alive.

    if u know survivors from that period, go ask!!! and post their story here.

    like i said futurte socialogists will be interested!!!!

  • singsongboi
  • Prisca
    Prisca

    I still find it hard to believe, particularly as my family were JWs during the time periods you speak about, and not even a hint of this was even mentioned. And yet, my dad was the one who told me about Beth Serim when I was a child!

  • singsongboi
    singsongboi

    going out...!! so gotta be brief

    i cannot say why a matter is not discussed by a person.

    i was not an eyewitness, but i was told the story by eyewitnesses.

    i did not consider it something to write down,rather than hear it as "oral history"..

    vi and bertie horton were in your grandmothers congregation (and in bethel).. bertie had mentioned incidents to me. vi would usually say something nice.. and move on (vi was a really nice sister).

    the crapps (eric and pearl) knew about it ( i think they were in western mainly also.

    i am not sure what happened to brother McGillivray - as far as i can recall, he did not leave the truth. as i said, i have an idea he was even trained at gilead after this time.

    and another brother who certainly knew lots of details was the congregation servant at western.. can't think of his name. but he held that position for years.

    weestern was in the same circuit as haberfield and central.

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    Yes, I knew Bertie & Vi Horton. Not sure if Vi is still alive. She had been in Bethel being looked after by the sisters there, suffering from the problems of advanced age.

    Readers of this post might be interested to know that Bertie & Vi had a "mixed marriage" - he was of the "heavenly class" while she was of the "Great Crowd". Thus when Bertie died it was considered a special loss, as she had no hope of seeing him again on earth (as according to JW beliefs).

    Western, Central and Haberfield congs were all in the same circuit as in those days there was only one circuit for the whole of Sydney.

  • larc
    larc

    Prisa and Sing,

    I think there could be something to this and it should be further researched. However, I doubt that many of the elderly Witnesses would divulge information on this.

    While some know about Beth Sarim, very few people would know that my mother's aunt was probably Rutherford's mistress. The evidence is circumstantial, but very strong. This is not discussed among JW members of my family, and I am sure they have their opinions on this subject, perhaps even some information beyond what I have. If someone interviewed them, they wouldn't tell anything. I know that for sure.

  • jwsons
    jwsons

    Thank you for the link to your Part 1 Sing.

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