Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-05-2014 WT Study (VIGILANT PRAYER)

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  • blondie
    blondie

    http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013842

    January 5, 2014

    The Watchtower (2013) w13 11/15 pp. 3-7

    “Be Vigilant With a View to Prayers”

    “Be sound in mind, . . . and be vigilant with a view to prayers.”—1 PET. 4:7.

    HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND?

    What forms of prayer do you personally need to offer more often?

    Why should true Christians pray continually?

    Who benefit when you pray for others?

    “THE most difficult time of the night to stay awake is just before the dawn of a new day,” says a former night worker. Very likely, others who have to remain awake all night would agree. Present-day Christians face a similar challenge because the long night of Satan’s wicked system of things is now at the darkest point in its history. (Rom. 13:12) How dangerous it would be for us to fall asleep at this late hour! It is imperative that we “be sound in mind” and heed the Scriptural exhortation to “be vigilant with a view to prayers.”—1 Pet. 4:7.

    Present-day Christians = only jws are considered TRUE Christians, all others are PROFESSED or SO-CALLED

    All non-jws are wicked in in that system

    Late hour – SOON, VERY SOON NOW, jws have been waiting since 1874 for the end in 1914, 1925, 1975.

    2 Because of where we are in the stream of time, it is wise to ask ourselves: ‘How vigilant am I when it comes to prayer? Do I use every form of prayer, and do I pray continually? Is it my custom to pray for others, or do my prayers usually focus only on my needs and wants? And how important is prayer with regard to my salvation?’

    Where did jws think they were in 1914, 1925, 1975?

    How often did you pray as a jw? How often did elders admit praying personally or at family events? How long are jw prayers? Focus on needs and wants…do they pray for other jws they don't count as friends or as bad association?

    CARRY ON EVERY FORM OF PRAYER

    3 In his letter to the Ephesians, the apostle Paul referred to “every form of prayer.” (Eph. 6:18) In our prayers, we may often petition Jehovah for his help in satisfying our needs and in overcoming obstacles. The “Hearer of prayer” lovingly listens to our appeals for help. (Ps. 65:2) However, we should also endeavor to focus on other forms of prayer. These include those of praise, thanksgiving, and supplication.

    Did you pray in every form; see it at meetings; your family meals, studies, etc.?

    How do jws explain how they know God hears their prayers…as well as answers them?

    4 There are many reasons why our prayers to Jehovah should include words of praise. For instance, we are moved to praise him when we think of “his four works of mightiness” and “the abundance of his greatness.” (Read Psalm 150:1-6.) Why, the six verses of the 150th Psalm exhort us 13 different times to praise Jehovah! With deep reverence for God, the composer of another psalm sang: “Seven times in the day I have praised you because of your righteous judicial decisions.” (Ps. 119:164) Jehovah surely deserves to be praised. Therefore, should we not praise him in our prayers “seven times in the day,” that is, very often?

    Why is it that the early jews could pray to God with going through Jesus but Christians can only do it through Jesus?

    Did you every pray seven times a day?

    Do the constant praise to the GB (FDS) count as praise to God?

    5 Thanksgiving is another important form of prayer. Paul exhorted Christians in the city of Philippi: “Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving let your petitions be made known to God.” (Phil. 4:6) There is a protection in expressing heartfelt gratitude in prayer to Jehovah. Especially is this the case, since we are living in the last days when people are “unthankful.” (2 Tim. 3:1, 2) The world is indeed dominated by a spirit of ingratitude. If we are not careful, that spirit can easily rub off on us. Expressing gratitude to God in prayer promotes contentment and prevents us from becoming ‘murmurers and complainers about our lot in life.’ (Jude 16) Moreover, when family heads include thanksgiving in prayers with their loved ones, they encourage a thankful spirit in their wives and children.

    Should jws praise the GB or God?

    How many jws did you view as thankful? Trite prayers at meals?

    Blanket condemnation of all non-jws = dominated by a spirit of gratitude

    How often did your jw parent pray in your hearing?

    6 Supplication is earnest prayer coupled with intense feeling. Concerning what may we supplicate Jehovah? We can certainly do so when we are being persecuted or if we are facing a life-threatening illness. At such times, our prayers for God’s help understandably become supplications. But are these the only times when we can supplicate Jehovah?

    Did you hear "earnest" prayers with intense feeling at the KH/assemblies/conventions or a scripted prayer reviewing the program for God who has perfect memory.

    Persecution = by non-jws or so-called fellow Christians?

    Life-threatening illness – but not before the elders and other jws determine if you are really sick or it is your fault?

    7 Consider Jesus’ model prayer, and note what he said about God’s name, His Kingdom, and His will. (Read Matthew 6:9, 10.) This world is drenched in wickedness, and human governments are failing to care for even the basic needs of their citizens. Surely, then, we should pray for our heavenly Father’s name to be sanctified and for his Kingdom to rid the earth of Satan’s rule. This is also a time to supplicate Jehovah to have his will done on earth as it is in heaven. Let us therefore remain vigilant, readily making use of all forms of prayer.

    Did Jesus say God's name in the model prayer? Is it proper to address your father by his first name?

    9 “You must pray, then, this way:+‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name+ be sanctified.*+ 10 Let your Kingdom+ come. Let your will+ take place, as in heaven, also on earth.+ 11 Give us today our bread for this day;+ 12 and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.+ 13 And do not bring us into temptation,+ but deliver* us from the wicked one.’+ 14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you;+ 15 whereas if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    Rid the earth of all 7 billion non-jws, men, women and children

    “PRAY CONTINUALLY”

    8 Although the apostle Peter exhorted Christians to “be vigilant with a view to prayers,” he himself failed to be that way on at least one occasion. He was one of the disciples who fell asleep while Jesus prayed in the garden of Gethsemane. Even after Jesus told them to “keep on the watch and pray continually,” they did not do so.—Read Matthew 26:40-45.

    Peter failed…fell asleep (how long had they waited….6 hours at a convention?)

    9 Instead of judging Peter and the other apostles harshly for failing to stay awake, however, we would do well to remember that the day had evidently taken quite a toll on their weak flesh. They had made preparations for the Passover and celebrated it that evening. Then Jesus instituted the Lord’s Evening Meal, setting the pattern for future observances p. 5of the Memorial of his death. (1 Cor. 11:23-25) “After singing praises, they went out to the Mount of Olives,” walking some distance through the narrow streets of Jerusalem. (Matt. 26:30, 36) By then, it may have been well past midnight. If we had been in the garden of Gethsemane that night, we too might have fallen asleep. Rather than criticize the weary apostles, Jesus lovingly acknowledged that “the spirit . . . is eager, but the flesh is weak.”

    Jesus did not judge the apostles harshly…would the elders in your congregation judge you harshly for falling asleep at a meeting? Would they take in consideration your economic stress, chronic illness, etc.? Criticize or "lovingly" acknowledge?

    Although Peter stumbled, he learned to be “vigilant with a view to prayers” (See paragraphs 10, 11)

    10 The experience in the garden of Gethsemane was not wasted on Peter. He learned a painful lesson from his lack of vigilance. Earlier, Jesus had said: “All of you will be stumbled in connection with me on this night.” At that, Peter exclaimed: “Although all the others are stumbled in connection with you, never will I be stumbled!” Jesus responded by saying that Peter would disown him three times. Unmoved, Peter declared: “Even if I should have to die with you, I will by no means disown you.” (Matt. 26:31-35) Nevertheless, Peter did stumble, just as Jesus had foretold. Overwhelmed by his final denial of Jesus, Peter “wept bitterly.”—Luke 22:60-62.

    Was Peter the only one who fell asleep; why then did he have a painful lesson only?

    Peter was shortly used after that to pour out the holy spirit on Christians. Would the elders in your congregation give you serious responsibilities if you had fallen asleep?

    11 Peter certainly learned a lesson from this experience and overcame his tendency to be self-confident. Evidently, prayer helped Peter in this regard. In fact, it is noteworthy that the counsel to “be vigilant with a view to prayers” comes from Peter. Are we heeding that inspired counsel? Furthermore, do we “pray continually” and thereby show our dependence on Jehovah? (Ps. 85:8) Let us also bear in mind the apostle Paul’s admonition: “Let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall.”—1 Cor. 10:12.

    So was Peter the only one that was self-confident, James and John?

    Dependence on God, Jesus or a man-made organization like the WTS?

    Can you imagine quoting 1 Cor. 10:12 to a self-important elder?

    NEHEMIAH’S PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED

    12 Consider Nehemiah, who served as cupbearer to Persian King Artaxerxes in the fifth century B.C.E. Nehemiah provides a fine example of someone who prayed fervently. For days, he had been ‘continually fasting and praying before God’ over the plight of the Jews in Jerusalem. (Neh. 1:4) When Artaxerxes asked him why his face was gloomy, “at once [Nehemiah] prayed to the God of the heavens.” (Neh. 2:2-4) With what result? Jehovah answered his prayers and directed matters in a way that benefited His people. (Neh. 2:5, 6) How faith-strengthening this must have been for Nehemiah!

    OT example

    Can jws work for rulers/politicians as Nehemiah?

    So do jws continually fast and pray?

    So do jws get similar answers?

    13 Praying continually, as Nehemiah did, helps us to maintain strong faith. Satan is merciless and often strikes us when we are weak. If we are dealing with illness or are struggling with depression, for instance, we may begin to feel that the time we spend in the ministry each month means very little to God. Some of us may experience distressing thoughts, perhaps because of past experiences in life. Satan would have us believe that we are worthless. His attacks are often designed to play on our emotions and thus weaken our faith. By being “vigilant with a view to prayers,” however, we can keep our faith strong. Indeed, ‘the large shield of faith will enable us to quench all the wicked one’s burning missiles.’—Eph. 6:16.

    Does Satan selective attack jws….how?

    Illness/depression/feel like what we do has no value because we have heard DO MORE from the platform numerous times or heard pioneers praised as special but never us?

    Satan or jws say we are worthless?

    Being “vigilant with a view to prayers” enables us to meet various challenges (See paragraphs 13, 14)

    14 If we are “vigilant with a view to prayers,” we will not be caught off guard and thus compromise if a test of faith comes upon us unexpectedly. When confronted with tests and trials, let us remember the example of Nehemiah and immediately turn to God in prayer. It is only with Jehovah’s help that we can succeed in resisting temptations and enduring tests of our faith.

    Caught off guard by the cruelty of jws that should love us

    Compromise as we see elders make excuses for theirs

    Can Jesus help us?

    PRAY IN BEHALF OF OTHERS

    15 Jesus made supplication for Peter so that the apostle’s faith would not give out. (Luke 22:32) The faithful first-century Christian Epaphras imitated Jesus in this regard and exerted himself in prayer in behalf of his brothers in Colossae. “He prays hard for you all the time,” Paul wrote them, “that you may stand fast, ripe in conviction and wholly devoted to doing God’s will.” (Col. 4:12, The New English Bible) We do well to ask ourselves: ‘Do I pray hard for my brothers around the world? How often do my prayers include fellow believers who have suffered because of a natural disaster? When did I last exert myself in prayer for those shouldering heavy responsibility in Jehovah’s organization? Have I recently prayed for individuals in the congregation who are facing hardships?’

    Prays hard FOR YOU, not just himself…

    Unknown brothers or those in their own congregation

    Natural disaster elsewhere but not those individual problems local jws have

    Do the elders shoulder their responsibilities or push them aside or assign to new or inexperienced elders?

    How can you pray for individuals in your congregation if you never talk to them; how will you know what hardships they have.

    Do you positively know the appearance of the flock?

    16 Our prayers to Jehovah God in behalf of others can truly help them. (Read 2 Corinthians 1:11.) Although Jehovah is not obliged to act because a large number of his worshippers have made prayerful requests repeatedly, he notes their collective interest and takes into account their genuine and deep concern as he responds to their prayers. So we ought to take seriously our privilege and responsibility to pray in behalf of others. Like Epaphras, we should display our heartfelt love and concern for our Christian brothers and sisters by exerting ourselves in prayer in their behalf. Doing so will add to our happiness, for “there is more happiness in giving than there is in receiving.”—Acts 20:35.

    God is not obliged to act because the individual is popular…

    James 2:15,16

    If a brother or a sister is lacking clothing* and enough food for the day, 16 yet one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but you do not give them what they need for their body, of what benefit is it?

    ‘OUR SALVATION IS NEAR’

    17 Just before stating that “the night is well along; the day has drawn near,” Paul wrote: “You people know the season, that it is already the hour for you to awake from sleep, for now our salvation is nearer than at the time when we became believers.” (Rom. 13:11, 12) God’s promised new world is near, and our salvation is nearer than we may think. We must not fall asleep spiritually, and we should never allow the world’s distractions to crowd out our time to be alone with Jehovah in prayer. Instead, let us “be vigilant with a view to prayers.” Doing so will help us to engage in “holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion” as we await the day of Jehovah. (2 Pet. 3:11, 12) Our way of life will thus reveal that we are staying awake spiritually and that we really believe that the end of this wicked system of things is imminent. May we therefore “pray incessantly.” (1 Thess. 5:17) Let us also imitate Jesus by seeking solitude for private prayer. If we linger in our personal prayers to Jehovah, we will draw ever closer to him. (Jas. 4:7, 8) And what a blessing that will prove to be!

    Is our salvation nearer? 1874 to 2013 = 139 years, 139 more with the overlapping generations?

    Our way of life = should all be pioneering?

    End imminent, 1914, 1925, 1975, and now 2014, 100 years since 1914?

    Pray in solitude or in public; how much private prayer do jws do?

    Closer to Jesus?

    18 The Scriptures state: “In the days of his flesh Christ offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.” (Heb. 5:7) Jesus offered supplications and petitions and maintained his faithfulness to God to the very end of his earthly life. As a result, Jehovah saved his beloved Son out of death and rewarded him with immortal life in heaven. We too can be faithful to our heavenly Father regardless of what temptations and trials may come our way in the future. Indeed, we can gain the prize of everlasting life—provided we remain “vigilant with a view to prayers.”

    So how much praying will earn jws the carrot of eternal life on earth?

    [Study Questions]

    1, 2. (a) Why is it vital to “be vigilant with a view to prayers”? (b) What searching questions regarding prayer would we do well to ask ourselves?

    3. What are some forms of prayer?

    4. Why should we often praise Jehovah in our prayers?

    5. How is a thankful spirit in prayer a protection?

    6, 7. What is supplication, and concerning what may we supplicate Jehovah?

    8, 9. Why should we be careful about judging Peter and the other apostles for falling asleep in the garden of Gethsemane?

    10, 11. (a) What lesson did Peter learn from his experience in the garden of Gethsemane? (b) How does Peter’s experience affect you?

    12. Why is Nehemiah a good example for us?

    13, 14. What should we do in order to keep our faith strong and resist Satan’s efforts to discourage us?

    15. What questions should we ask ourselves about praying for others?

    16. Do our prayers in behalf of others really matter? Explain.

    17, 18. How will being “vigilant with a view to prayers” help us?

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    p. 5[Picture on page 5]

    Although Peter stumbled, he learned to be “vigilant with a view to prayers” (See paragraphs 10, 11)

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    Being “vigilant with a view to prayers” enables us to meet various challenges (See paragraphs 13, 14)

    w13 11/15 p. 3Copyright © 2014 Watch Tower Bible

  • Slidin Fast
    Slidin Fast

    Thanks Blondie, you bear the weight of the studying bulls**t so we don't have to.

  • prologos
    prologos

    thank you: as you said: "JWs always in the Late hour thinking mode",

    what were we thinking? as we passed the 1914, 1925, 1975 milestones in time? markers that did not have the corresponding events,places of the WT printed maps?

    did we pray that Wt writers may repent, show evidence of repentance, confess?

    we did not have a prayer----.

  • Bruja-del-Sol
    Bruja-del-Sol

    The only one who tought me something about prayer was my grandmother who prayed with me before going to sleep. I can't recall my mother praying, think she's never done it in my presence (or at all, that's what I'm guessing). My father only said his mumbled 'keep-it-short-food's-getting-cold'-prayers before dinner. At least when he thought about it. Most of the time he didn't.

    When I got baptized I was told that I had to 'dedicate' myself to god in a prayer, and that I needed to pray while I was being baptized. I didn't have a clue what was expected from me, so I never prayed a 'dedication'-prayer and by the time I got in the water, one hand on the wrist of the opposite arm and the other hand closing my nose, I never got as far as 'dear Jehovah'... and the whole thing was already done, baptized, out of the water, no time for a prayer DURING baptism. So I called that prayer off as well. I was 17 and although I could answer all the questions in the book, I didn't really have a clue what it was all about!

    So looking back, my experience with prayer as a JW (and listening to prayers at assemblies, in the KH and visiting and having dinner with other JW's) is that their prayers are mostly very shallow without emotion, just meaningless blabla. And from the platform sometimes used as 'show off'... "listen to me, using such beautiful words, trying to impress you all"... YUK!

  • Over%forme
    Over%forme

    Thanks Blondie for your hard work.

    Some of us have family still in and

    it's good to know what they are

    telling them.

  • heathen
    heathen

    I've heard them use prayers at meetings to insult people , the guy got df'd I think shorlty after . Any way I've never heard them, that I remember, praying for prophesy as the apostle paul encourged them to do , they certainly never asked forgiveness for giving wrong information and false prophesy , generation dogma , FDS dogma , the lords evening meal was supposed to be a church supper and all attendees were expected to eat the symbolic flesh and blood of christ or stay home , according to pauls writings . They really disgusted me last time I visited as the presiding ,"anointed" was quoting what I believe to be fake scripture that states the ruling powers on earth were created for christ and by christ ... they have backed away from the world ended invisibly with the ascent of christ to the throne in heaven in 1914 . Jesus plainly says that satan was behind all man made powers as he rejected satans attempt at bribing him with authority over them for an act of worship .

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    Forget that WT study, everything you ever wanted to know about prayer can be explained here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaZDcS-rMf4

  • BU2B
    BU2B

    Good comments. Thanks Blondie

    -BU2B

  • SAHS
    SAHS

    Good points as usual, Blondie! I always glean some new little perspectives from your clever summations.

    My public comment at yesterday’s Sunday Watchtower study included my clarification of the sentence in paragraph 13 which reads: “If we are dealing with illness or are struggling with depression, for instance, . . .” (Emphasis mine) I reiterated that this sentence mentions “illness or . . . depression,” and said that depression IS an illness (i.e., it’s not depression or illness). I then informed everyone that in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illness, or “DSM” – which is basically the “bible” of psychology and psychiatry (the current version being the DSM-V, or DSM-5, revised 2013) – depression is considered an illness.

    I strongly felt that this distinction had to be made, as it seemed to me that the Watchtower was subtly implying that depression is not a bona fide illness but something that is all just “in your head,” so to speak. I believe that it is vitally important for people to call them on specific viewpoints of theirs such as this, as people really need to be brought a proper amount of objective clarity to the discussion.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Prayers to that thing joke-hova? Every time I tried thanking that thing for anything (and I do mean ANYTHING), it would take away whatever I had thanked it for, and ensure I wouldn't get it again. I learned that thanking joke-hova for anything was something to only do if I am positive I never want to experience it again, as long as it was something worth having.

    Notably, we are supposed to pray for joke-hova's things in abundance. However, we are only supposed to pray for our bare necessities? And then do the work ourselves? Then, when you receive anything, you have that debt to joke-hova. You did the work, joke-hova gets the credit, you are led to believe that you are undeserving, and then joke-hova has the nerve to blame Satan for making us feel worthless.

    And it is joke-hova, along with its filthy angels, that attack. Usually they will single out someone, often to beat them into submission to joke-hova. They always attack in the name of Satan, because it is Satan that will be blamed. Once you call on joke-hova, the attacks will pause because the angels have done their job. However, if joke-hova wants to extort more out of you or you lapse the least amount, the filthy angels will resume their attacks (and blame Satan again). The worst Satan will do to you is nothing. Which is not true of joke-hova and its filthy angels who make things difficult and miserable.

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