Jude 22-25 JW apologists and anybody else.

by wearewatchingyouman 11 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • wearewatchingyouman
    wearewatchingyouman

    22 Also, continue showing mercy+ to some who have doubts;+ 23 save them+ by snatching them out of the fire. But continue showing mercy to others, doing so with fear, while you hate even the garment that has been stained by the flesh.+ 24 Now to the one who is able to guard you from stumbling and to make you stand unblemished+ in the sight of his glory* with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, might, and authority for all past eternity and now and into all eternity. Amen.

    So, then - Why does the GB separate those who become doubtful out of fear they will stumble some? Jude specifically says to embrace this fear(of god?)while showing mercy to those who have doubts? It also specifically states that Jehovah will guard christians from being stumbled by these people. Why is the GB ignoring this advice? Are they claiming to know better than the bible?

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    They don't really believe that scripture themselves, and they KNOW that everyone would lose faith in the man-made Organization if the dissenters were not swiftly excecuted. Their idea of mercy is a standard Eldub meeting, a loyalty question and a certified letter.

    DD

  • TTATTelder
    TTATTelder

    Yeah scriptural reasoning like this highlights the real source of their rules:

    "The How to Run a High Control Group Encyclopedia"

    Seriously, though, their paranoia speaks volumes. This scripture is working on the basic assumption - the truth should be able to stand on its own - and if God is on your side you have nothing to fear.

    But let's be honest. This organization is way past even pretending to have that kind of confidence.

  • wearewatchingyouman
    wearewatchingyouman

    For those who are interested "mercy" is Strong's Concordance G1653 ἐλεάω (eleew):

    1) to have mercy on
    2) to help one afflicted or seeking aid
    3) to help the afflicted, to bring help to the wretched
    4) to experience mercy

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    The WTS uses Scripture this way:

    (1) They have a position that they have arrived at.

    (2) After that, they look for a Biblical text or other source that can be made to appear to support their position.

    (3) They ignore all Biblical texts and other sources that don't agree with the conclusion they set out with.

    Look at the structure of a typical paragraph in a magazine or book. They set out their position and then append Bible references at the end. They look for "supports" of their prejudged decision.

    As a result, the WTS, despite having the word "Bible" in its title, uses very little of the Bible, and then in a presumptive manner, and it misquotes and misrepresents sources to make them fit.

    Doug

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    BTW,

    The NT book of 2 Peter, which was written by a disciple of Paul in the middle of the 2nd century (about 140 CE), wrote it as a commentary on the book of Jude.

    Jude is another example of the impact of the Book of Enoch.

    Just some stuff that the WTS ignores because it does not fit their agenda.

    Doug

  • wearewatchingyouman
    wearewatchingyouman

    "The NT book of 2 Peter, which was written by a disciple of Paul in the middle of the 2nd century (about 140 CE), wrote it as a commentary on the book of Jude."

    That assertion is very debatable. See Wallace's Petrine Priority.

    https://bible.org/seriespage/jude-introduction-argument-and-outline

    Very good points on how the WBTS outlines their articles however!

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w80 8/1 p. 22 par. 20 Remain “Solid in the Faith” ***

    Yes, such doubters need to be shown that they are in danger of being consumed by destructive doubts. Their Christian brothers, and particularly the elders, should endeavor to help them, snatching them, if at all possible, out of the “fire” that could destroy them spiritually. As to those who refuse such patient, loving help and who really “fall away from the faith,” we should not be unduly disturbed. With the apostle John, we will say: “They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us.”—1 John 2:19.

    *** w82 9/1 p. 20 par. 11 “Beloved Ones, . . . Keep Yourselves in God’s Love” ***

    If Jude’s fellow believers were to continue receiving divine mercy, they had to be merciful to others whose eternal life was at stake. (James 2:13) But for the faithful to ‘continue showing mercy to some having doubts,it was necessary for them to distinguish between those eligible for mercy and the ‘dreamers.’

    *** w83 9/15 p. 18 par. 16 “One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism” ***

    This does not mean that the true Christian witness of Jehovah cannot use his thinking abilities. The apostle Peter urged the use of “clear thinking faculties” in refuting “ridiculers” who would show up “in the last days” and deny the “presence” of Christ. (2 Peter 3:1-4) In his letter, Jude speaks of “some that have doubts.” (Jude 22) But neither Peter nor Jude says that a Christian can remain a ridiculer or a doubter. Peter tells us to ‘be on our guard’ against “unsteady” ones who ‘twist the Scriptures.’ (2 Peter 3:16, 17)

    -------------Of course, the WTS makes the rules, changes the rules, and ignores their own rules. In the end, the elders judge whether someone really has doubts or not, one BOE could think one way, and in another congregation, the BOE think the opposite.

  • wearewatchingyouman
    wearewatchingyouman

    "it was necessary for them to distinguish between those eligible for mercy and the ‘dreamers.’"

    Where do they get this sh!t from?

    It specifically states that some can be saved, "but CONTINUE showing mercy to others, doing so with fear, while you hate even the garment that has been stained by the flesh."

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    My reading of the early history of Jude, 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, Revelation and Hebrews shows that they had a very rough ride for the first 400 years (and more) of the Christian Church. (Where was the "FDS" during those heated debates? Were people such as Origen, Irenaeus, Cyril, and Athanasius, etc., etc., members of the FDS??)

    There are too many details to go into here, so I recommend the article by Professor F.W. Beale in Volume 1 of "The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible", article: "Canon of the NT", especially pages 523-532. If you email me, I can provide a copy of these pages in Word format, which then permits words to be searched.

    (The doubt of Paul's authorship of Hebrews is indicated by its location in the NT: whereas Paul's writings are placed in order of their length, Hebrews is not positioned where it otherwise would have been - not that Paul wrote any of the "Pastorals").

    Doug

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