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“Call it what you wish, sir. We’re discussing subjective concepts of what is right and what is wrong. Who are you, or I, to decide what is good or what is evil? Is slavery worse, or better, than abortion? If there is no God, then the discussion is immaterial because evil only exists in YOUR mind and MY mind, and our concepts of it may differ. The same thing is true of measurements. If there is no standard, then do you get to decide what a meter is or do I? Or if we have competing standards, which is morally correct, your standard or mine?”
You are mistaken, yet again. Ethics and morals are NOT a “subjective concept”, they are tangibles and you can witness their evolution by reading some history books. Philosophers like Plato and Aristotle discussed about morals and ethics hundreds of years before the bible and jesus.
Morality is derived from the Latin moralitas, or “manner, character, and proper behavior.” Morality has to do with how you act toward others. In societies they have always be present to some extents. You can, of course, act in a way that has no effect on anyone else, and in this case morality isn’t involved. But given the choice between acting in a way that increases someone else’s moral good or not, it is more moral to do so than not.
We need an evolutionary understanding of where a strong sense of right and wrong comes from as an instinct, and a neurobiological account of how our brains function or not when they engage in ethical reasoning.
Morality involves conscious choice, and the choice to act in a manner that increases someone else’s moral good, then, is a moral act, and its opposite is an immoral act. To give you another example, rape is bad, whether or not god say it, rape is bad. Yet God offers no prohibition against rape, and in fact seems to encourage it in many instances as a perquisite of war for victors. Adultery, which is prohibited in the Bible, would still be wrong even if god say it or not.
I don't understand why you are weighing slavery against abortion; they are two completely different concepts. I am a male; my body won't change due to pregnancy. I don't have to suffer from Diastasis recti or have a Chloasma among other changes that woman bodies undergo while pregnant, giving birth or 25 years after. And I am not mentioning rape, diseases or other complication as causes to end pregnancy. As I understand, I have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body.
Now, I can relate with slavery. I am black, and I will tell you that I rather be dead that been a slave.
I already told you that Social animals, from ants to elephants have modified their behaviors to improve their evolutionary fitness. Human morality is essentially a natural phenomenon. It’s not a believe or an opinion.
“Jesus knew he couldn’t prevent slavery and, besides, abolishing it was not his mission. His Kingdom was not of this world. His mission was to free people spiritually from Death, which otherwise would have eternal consequences. Thus, not able to abolish it and trying to do so would have crippled his cause, he taught people that if they had to be slaves, then be the best they could be. And many slaves were baptized and became Christians.”
If the son of god (or god, depending of the flavor of the week), couldn’t give instructions to implement the most basic right a human been has;. What he did beside some parlor tricks? And you are mistaken yet again; slaves were FORCED or " tricked" to adopt the religion of their masters. What is the evidence for the rest of your claims?
“You can believe that if you wish, but if there are no consequences, or punishment, there is no such thing as “sin” or evil. If I’m hitchhiking and you pick me up, and down the road I pull a gun on you, take your money, the keys to your home and your fine car, then murder you and throw you off the side of the road, then go ransack your house for whatever I want, unless I’m caught, there are no consequences. We both go down to death and both inherit the same: the cold and silent grave. There is no morality in the grave — no judgment. The saint and sinner receive the same reward, which is none at all. Who cares how society judges us? In a few hundred years, what difference will it make?”
And this is my sign and could be yours to. If you find out today that there is no god, no heaven, no afterlife, no reward will you go ballistic, into a murderous rampage tomorrow until someone stops you?
If the answers is no………there you go, you are a moral person.
My original question still unanswered; Why do you believe?