Are JW:s more sick than others

by Bugbear 18 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Bugbear
    Bugbear

    On request from ”friends thread” I would like to tell you my story. The subject from friends thread was simply : are JW,s more negative or more disordered than “normal” people?

    I was 10 15 years ago an elder. In our cong. I had to take care of theocratic school, and at least one point in the service meeting. I sat in comities, had at least one public speech per month in other congs. Often I was invited to give a talk in Circuit assemblies. As an elder I was expected to go preaching at least 10 hours per month. Beside from that I had a stressing full time job and I also had a family with 6 children. The pressure on me was enormous. Sometimes I didn’t even had the time to take care of my personal hygiene.

    All this resulted in a severe constant high blood pressure during 10-15 years. So about 10-15 years ago I was stroked with 5 hearth attacks, in a row of 2-3 years. 3 of them was severe and caused emergency transport with ambulance.

    My cardiologist (heart specialist) , told me that I do not only need heart surgery, but also Cognitive behavior therapy (CBT). So I was ordered to contact a psychologist. I spent more than 40 hours with this therapist. She told me how to say NO THANK YOU , to everything that I did not really want to do.

    Hence I went to the elders in my cong and gave in my personal elder books, said to them that I never ever will attend any meeting again, that I never will going in the field service and or report any hours.

    I have now been out for more than 13 years, but my wife is still in. During this period I have never ever again had any heart attack. I can see the same tendencies with my wife and are deeply worried that she will suffer the way I did.

    Does anyone have these experiences? I have heard rumors that some DC have had hart problems. But are these problems often neglected in favor of others that we often discuss here such as mental disorder, ADHD, Fibromyalgia, depression a.s.f.

    Would like to have your opinion and exper.

  • zeb
    zeb

    It is a loose observation but i have noticed that jw are the unhealthiest people as a group.

  • hoser
    hoser

    Elders, the good ones anyway, have to put up with a lot of shit. Human beings who know and want to do the right thing but are forced to make unchristian decisions because of as%#@*e elders and circuit overseers. This is unhealthy. I have seen a close family friend who served as an elder for about 10 years go from a very confident outgoing healthy person to an emotional wreck and 2 heart attacks and a stroke from the stress of being an elder.

    When asked why hoser do you not reach out to serve the congregation I point out this example and say no thanks!

    hoser

  • Dis-Member
    Dis-Member

    Aside from the normal physical ailments... I had a conversation with my doctor recently.. and he told me that he has very many witness patients. And that many of them have serious and deep mental and psychological problems directly caused by being involved and having every inch of their lives controlled and dictated by a belief system that makes no sense. But because of their stance that mental health services are all part of Satan's system and silently frowned upon they are very reluctant if ever to seek any outside or professional help.

    Paranoid schizophrenia and sever personality and emotional disorders apparently can be cured by more door to door service, digesting back issues of the Watchtower alone and the kind of wisdom from elders that can only come from years of having cleaned windows. So it means there are a vast number of very unwell individuals coasting it though in the organisation untreated for up to decades and entire life spans.

  • Bungi Bill
    Bungi Bill

    I noticed an extraordinary amount of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS / ME /Tapanui Flu - call it what you like!) amongst the JWs. Its sufferers included some who were still only in their early teens. This condition was so prevalent amongst the congregations that 5% of the circuit was affected (figures compiled in 1990)

    Also, long serving "Pioneers", or others engaged in full time service , seemed to be disproportionally represented amongst those diagnosed with the condition.

    Significantly, in the nearly 20 years now since I bid that bloody lot goodbye, I have not known anybody - not even one person - who is suffering from CFS.

    There is still some considerable debate in the medical community as to whether CFS is a medical or psychological illness. Could it be our body's way of telling us "Please stop, I have been driven too hard for far too long without letup":

    - and being a typical guilt-ridden JW whose best efforts are still never quite enough, the only tolerated excuse for easing off the accelerator pedal is a chronic illness?

    Bill

    PS: My wife and two teenage daughters were both incapacitated with this complaint all at the same time.

  • zeb
    zeb

    Dis-member: Ouch! spot on!

    Bungi Bill: I too have noticed in every story of missionaries or special pioneers end with "my w/h then had serious health problem and we had too..."

    re your familiy sickness. I suggest that too is a side product of witness thinking as what one has the others want/will have so as to be the same and perhaps also with daughters eating way to little. also on a diet level the incidence of this 'yuppie' flue parellels the removal of salt ( "Buy now, SALT FREE!" ) in western diets.

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Hey bugbear, thanks for your story. I know of a few elders who've had heart problems. One stepped down from being PO and never became an elder again, over a decade ago, when he had to have a quadruple bypass. I know another one who had a quadruple but still serves last I heard. There's an elder in my last cong, an older man but not ancient, who always looks like death warmed up, with red drooping eyelids and a haggard, tired face beyond his years.

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Oh I've noticed a tendency for COs to drowp dead of heart attacks too. Not surprising.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Their lifestyle is conducive to sickness. Their sleep is disrupted--anyone that works anything other than the standard shift is going to have boasting sessions and/or field circus in the way of sleep. Plus, they keep heaping work on you. They don't know when enough is enough. You are doing 10 hours a month, do more. You auxiliary pious-sneer one month, "Good. Now that we (and joke-hova) know you can do it, you are required to do it all the time". "It's only 2 hours a day."--that is, not including dressing up, going to the place where they meet, arranging the groups, and getting to the territory. Can anyone work full time, pious-sneer, and still get enough sleep?

    Most of them have wretched diets. True, a few are health nuts--living on soy protein (itself as bad as the worst junk food) and taking supplements that are about as good as drug store specials. But, too many of them eat fast, good-tasting poison every day for lunch. I have seen more of them stopping for a quick sandwich at Seven-11, usually something thrown in the microwave (food poisoner). More frequently, people stop for Big Macs every day. This cannot possibly be healthy? And the sodas? More than once I have seen witlesses stop for a Coke--I would splurge and get orange juice, but that was in the minority. Along with a bag of potato chips, usually flavored with monosodium glutamate. Besides the poison, I wonder how many of them get the basic vitamins. And even among those taking all those drug-store quality vitamins and soy protein, I wonder if any of them get enough magnesium.

    Combine this with more poisons. You go into people's houses. There is a wide assortment of germs (including tuberculosis). All too often, I have gone on calls where the householder and/or other members of the household were smoking cancer sticks non-stop during the call. People are exposed to every kind of air "freshener" imaginable, gas fumes, suit dry cleaning fumes (which are particularly toxic and rank right up there with second-hand tobacco smoke as cancer-causing), and cheap perfume (much of which is toxic, especially when you blend 100 kinds and mix it together) imaginable. For a religion that bashes smoking as causing lung cancer, they expose people to enough chemicals from the territory or dry cleaners to cause an even worse lung cancer problem.

    And what about fumes at the Kingdumb Hell? Most of them are new or refurbished less than 10 years ago, because of the debt they wish to project on the congregation. It also means formaldehyde from carpets and particle board never gets a chance to dissipate. Without windows that actually open, ventilation is atrocious. Besides whatever perfumes and book fumes were in the building the last year that have had the chance to mix and react with each other (sometimes producing even worse fumes), these buildings trap noxious fumes. And the electronic pollution isn't much better. Alarm systems, squiggly "light(??)" bulbs, and close proximity to everyone's cell phone also take their toll on everyone present.

    Throw in the accidents and mishaps that people get hurt on, and you have a mess. How many have been in car accidents, hit by a car trying to start their time, bitten by dogs, threatened or hurt by householders (usually after multiple warnings not to return), and so on do witlesses get exposed to just doing their "duty". Not to mention lousy construction. You live there, you are used to railings in bad condition and unsafe stairs. You are there going door to door, you are not--hence, more likely to fall. And there is always one apartment building where they depend on a single light bulb to light a stairwell with no daylight. What if the lights go out while you are on the stairs or at the top? Or, what if the light bulb blows? People can and do fall down those stairs when plunged in pitch dark without warning, and they are bound to end up in the hospital to be exposed to more stress, more pills, and more pressure from Brother Hounder to keep up their time while in the hospital.

    Beyond that, they are more spiritually sick than others--which could fill up yottabytes of space trying to detail this condition.

  • perfect1
    perfect1

    WTW

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