Numbers don't lie :The End of JESUS... (page 9)

Jeffro

The poster's concerns were related to a reduction in mentions so therefore the WTS can be used as a barometer against itself.

The poster's 'concern' was predicated on a lie.

Jeffro

SO, perhaps we need to modify EdenOne's calculation slightly by reducing the number of honorable mentions of "Jehovah" by the combo "Jehovah's Witnesses".

Jehovah's people
Jehovah's servants
etc

The point is, it's all rather pointless.

NeverKnew

My post was with respect to JW Gonebad's claim...

Reference to our Lord Jesus Christ in WT literature has been on the wane for a really long time. The Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses, as an example, which is printed annually to report on the ‘Christian’ ministry of the JW’s worldwide reflects a gigantic deficit on the emphasis placed on Jesus as opposed to Jehovah :

On the wane?... well, yeah... looking at the ensuing years from the 70's the ratio has been on the decline... we need 8 more years of data to support another drop.

Gigantic deficit?... well, 50% from the earliest recorded decade is statistically significant.

Now, you are absolutely correct that the data may be in error... but now that I think about it, it's PROPORTIONATELY erroneous.

If JW Gonebad wants to, s/he can rerun the numbers to improve his/her quantitative analysis by removing "Jehovah's Witnesses" (and any other parallel references like "Jehovah's Christian Congregation? ... not sure) from the criteria.

Thanks for the correction!

Jeffro

On the wane?... well, yeah... looking at the ensuing years from the 70's the ratio has been on the decline... we need 8 more years of data to support another drop.

It's not clear on what basis the Yearbooks have been selected for counting anyway, and without data prior to 1970, it's also unclear whether there just happened to be a peak in the 70s and 80s in the Yearbooks rather than merely a decline since.

The Watchtower would represent a more reliable basis for consideration of Jesus in JW doctrine. And it has already been shown, contrary to the OP's false claims, that usage of Jesus therein has remained fairly constant, despite a decline in general content of JW literature.

It's a bit meaningless to simply pick the publication that shows a decline, and hold that up as 'the' evidence of a decline overall. Our Kingdom Ministry - which JWs read much more often than the Yearbooks - shows an increase in the use of Jesus in recent years compared to the 70s. So what?!

NeverKnew

I gave my statistical opinion on an assertion JW Gonebad was making about the Yearbook publication and what his data reflected.

I do know that a more appropriate statistical representation of his data would be a comparison of the ratio of references to Jesus to references to Jehovah and that using HIS data, the statistical representation of HIS data supports his claim.

The rest of each of your assertions could only serve as additional information for me.

Jeffro

The rest of each of your assertions could only serve as additional information for me.

That's all well and good, and it's entirely up to you whether you choose to frame the more meaningful information I provided around an essentially meaningless assertion.

EdenOne

Just for kicks, if one really wants to go through the exercise ...

Trending Jesus:

(Jesus +Christ) - (Jesus Christ) = X

Trending Jehovah:

(Jehovah + God) - [(Jehovah God) + (Jehovah Witness)] = Y

And this should be made using the Watchtower magazine, since it is the primary source of doctrine. (Not KM, not Awake, not yearbooks)

And event then, it wouldn't be really accurate; But it can draw a trend.

And even then, it's nothing but trivia. Interesting, but still trivia. The JW doctrine *is* about Jehovah, not Christ.

Eden

Jeffro

EdenOne:

The JW doctrine *is* about Jehovah, not Christ.

It is not at all accurate to say JW doctrine is not about Christ, nor is it accurate to say that their doctrines can only be about one thing. But I don't think it's any secret that their doctrines are primarily about Jehovah (i.e. 'God'). That in itself doesn't make them any better or worse than any other religion, and their beliefs are only as irrational as those of other Christians.

NeverKnew

I'm having fun with this quantitative analysis.Eden... even if it should be qualitative!

and I think Jeffro has a playgrounf crush on me. (giggling)

Jeffro

and I think Jeffro has a playgrounf crush on me. (giggling)

I can't help it. Your avatar is irresistible.

Definitely the cutest in the "playgrounf"

Numbers don't lie :The End of JESUS...

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