2014 means nothing

by konceptual99 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    The WTS has altered the presses on lot of things they used to consider as the " Troof "

    Jus' because the WTS try to hide thier sordid past by silence

    should we be silent too ?

    There will always be people out there who will yearn to be coralled

    or herded and controlled by the likes of the WTS

    Anyone lookin' for a mass exodus will be sorely disappointed

    What they should keep an eye on is " Growth "

    And the internet will surely have an affect on that

    The WTS may not want to remind the sheep about the length of time for the end

    But the internet will, And to time indefinite, this will be seen

    " Why do Jehovah's Witnesses say that Gods Kingdom was established in 1914 ?

    Two lines of evidence point to that year : (1) Bible chronology and (2) The events since 1914 in fulfillment of prophecy: "____Reasoning from the Sciptures page 95

    Why do we continue to bring up thier past ?

    Because they claimed it was the Truth, And if you doubted it

    you doubted God's channel, which was the same as doubtin' God himself

    And they trained the sheep to tell and sell these lies wit' conviction

    # 32 EXPRESS WITH CONVICTION

    " Speak in a manner that shows that you are fully convinced of the truthfulness lies and importance of what you are sayin" ____Theocratic Ministry school book page 194

    Like

    " (8) Last days : " Some who saw the events of 1914 will also see the complete destruction of the present wicked world." ___Reasoning Book page 200

    Now that's a lie worth warnin' folks about

  • prologos
    prologos

    since WT BtS adherents do not celebrate birthdays any more, so why would not celbrating the "birth of the [fictious] kingdom of 1914" be an event??

    a kid that knew what happened in 1914 would be 114 years old, still 6 year short of a normal human max. lifespan of 120, but

    definitely not generating any more to help in the ongoing overlapping.

    The overlapping has lapsed.

  • fresh prince of ohio
    fresh prince of ohio

    The truth is that, whilst I have heard some chatter about it from those in the org, nobody really cares.

    You don't know their private thoughts though. Of course there isn't a lot of talk among r&f JWs concerning how 2014 will mark 100 years from when the gentile times ended and christ took his throne in heaven. The very act of mentioning it would just be discouraging. And we need to encourage each other brothers and sisters!

    But, on Jan 1, 2015, your 25, 30, 40+ year JWs are going to wake up in the morning, and the old system will still be here. And I do think that many of them, in spite of themselves, will think about the significance of the year 2015. And it will be just another drag on their ever-flagging enthusiasm for JWism.

    So no, no mass exodus. As has been said many times on this forum, that will never happen barring some absolutely atrocious scandal that went all the way to the top. What will happen is the same as what's been happening in WT-land for years now, only imo 2015 will give it a little boost: less enthusiasm for field service, meetings getting even more stale and repetitive (if that's even possible) and sparsely attended, more young people breaking ranks, more shrill and hysterical "OBEY US!" barking in the publications, more depressed JWs, less money in the collection box, etc.

    This religion, although growing in numbers, is a hollow shell of it's former glory (such as it was), and 2015 will only make it that much more so.

  • Larsinger58
    Larsinger58

    Just for the record and the people here, 1914 is based on the concept that the 2nd coming would occur 2520 years from the fall of Jerusalem, which the WTS dates erroneously date to 607 BCE. The true date for the fall of Jerusalem per critical secular reference and the Bible was 529 BCE which means the 2nd coming per the Bible should have happened in 1992 rather than 1914. The critical connection between 1992 and 1914 is that the "last generation" of 80 years was to begin with a world war (i.e. nation vs. nation and kingdom vs. kingdom). What the Bible prophesied that would happen before that generation ended in 1994 is the 2nd coming. So while the WTS does not understand this, the 2nd coming just based on the true date of Jerusalem's fall did fulfill that prophecy. 1992, of course, occurs before the end of that generation in 1994.

    In the meantime, part of the misunderstanding of the signs of the last days is misunderstood. That misunderstanding has to do with the "great tribulation" which is often thought to be a reference to Armageddon. But that great tribulation is completely over before the 2nd coming: "Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days... the sign of the son of man will appear in heaven." Thus the "great tribulation" reference in Matthew is actually a reference to the HOLOCAUST.

    Now posters here are allegedly smarter than the sheeple serving the WTS. So think about it. The great tribulation mentioned in Matthew says that women with small children would have it a lot worse than women without children. How is that? It speaks of fleeing to the mountains when the "disgusting thing in a holy place" is seen. How could fleeding to the mountains save you from Armageddon if you're not supposed to? It makes no sense. Also the Bible says the days would be cut short for the sake of the holy ones. Well, does that mean God would get so carried away at Armageddon that he would accidentally wipe out all of the holy ones? Plus this clearly suggests that the majority of the "holy ones" would actually die during this "great tribulation." Well, when the "holy ones" are actually a reference to the natural Jews, then it explains it. The "disgusting thing in a holy place" was actually the Nazi army surrounding Warsaw, Poland, the city with the highest concentration of Jews in exile. But that also explains about how women without children would be better off. If you had no children, you could literally leave the city and flee to the mountains and survive as many did. But if you have small children, there is no way you could do that. You can't have noisy, hundry kids hiding out from the Nazis in the forrests.

    So that is the critical point here. While people here are laughing at the WTS for their focus on 1914, it spills over to what the true fulfillment really is. Whether or not the Bible is true or not. Whem you have the correct date for the fall of Jerusalem, which was 529 BCE dating the 2nd coming in 1992, and when you understand 1914 simply begins a generation of 80 years that would see the 2nd coming before its end in 1994, then all is well. Thoses who have the correct understanding do not link Armageddon as part of the events of the last generation. It should not be.

    So 2014, 100 years after 1914, might be a problem for false prophets and false understanding, but not for those of the elect who have the truth. 1914, indeed, is a good date for beginning the last generation which begins with a world war. It is NOT a good date for the 2nd coming since Jerusalem fell in 529 BCE and not 607 BCE. It is also NOT a good date for the "end of the gentile times" which ended on November 30, 1947 when the Jews officially came out of exile and had their own country again.

    So everything the Bible prophesied was fulfilled within that generation, including the "great tribulation" which was the HOLOCAUST. Just because the WTS has it wrong, doesn't mean the Bible is not true. Everything in the Bible is happening on time.

    The only other chronology clue we have in relation to when Armageddon will occur is that the UN will take over world government and the nations giving up their sovereignty to the UN will be allowed to rule for "a time and a season" which is a year and 3 months basically; not that those days would be cut short. However close you think about the UN being to taking over world government is how close you should expect Armageddon.

  • steve2
    steve2

    2014 will come and go and it won't cause a dramatic awakening, but the trend towards slowed growth in the organization will continue. The Watchtower's heyday in Western countries is over. I recall burgeoning attendances at kingdom halls leading up to 1975, and in New Zealand, rapid growth of average numbers of publishers with several hundreds annually baptized. Now there's concern in the organization about low meeting attendances and average numbers of publishers take literally years to "catch up" with peak numbers, to say nothing of fewer and fewer baptisms. Yes, 2014 will NOT be an overt disturber of closed-minded faith, but nor will it be a stimulis to growth that it was in earlier decades.

    No, this organiization won't experience a dramatic mass exodus - just more and more deadening of zeal as it joins the growing ranks of older and increasingly irrelevant religions.

  • Larsinger58
    Larsinger58

    You know, the people who love the organization are getting what they love. They love the idea that they have found the "true religion." When confronted with defending certain beliefs, they don't want to do it. They are more in love with the WTS than the Bible, so they have lost their way.

    Now the WTS has all these false teachings, but they notice nobody cares about it, nobody notices. So they just shove that in my face! They know they are leading people who have their eyes closed. Those who stay are not really interested in TRUTH. The WTS knows it. They are going to play the game until they are destroyed.

  • HarryMac
    HarryMac

    ugghh... the whole thing is so depressing. I remember before I left there was a single sister speaking in front of the PO's bookstudy about how they were never supposed to have done this and that [armageddon was supposed to happen long ago]... and the elder said... 'Oh well, at least we had fun' This is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? 'At least I don't have AIDS'... so woefully pathetic. I'm started to come around and see that 2014 isn't really going to be that big of deal. Though, yeah, the private thoughts of so many Jan 1st, 2015....

  • LouBelle
    LouBelle

    I think the masses won't even be aware that it's 100 years since 1914 - there may be a few that will see the religion for what it is, other than that the religion will carry on regardless.

  • nochoice
    nochoice

    I agree, conceptual99, it means nothing to the R&F. Still in, and still assumed to be faithful and in good standing, every conversation that I am involved with or that I overhear includes "just a few more years" when discussing "the end" with absolutely no reference to the significance of 2014. And the new understanding of the FDS being the most powerful force in the universe will just squash any dissention if/when it comes up.

    We'll be studying the new light in July, with plenty of time to hash it out with some brazen conduct/apostasy/weak faith judicial meetings to clean house of any who don't like the new power trip. And January 2014 will begin with freshly indoctrinated sheep and the dead weight gone!

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