The Evidence / Proof That Jehovah Witnesses / I.B.S.A. Have NEVER Been Gods Spirit Directed Organisation .

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  Doug Mason

  Russell was a Zionist before Herzl came on the scene. If you want detailed information, I suggest: "Pastor Charles Taze Russell: An early American Christian Zionist" by David Horowitz.
  

  Russell's position was that Leviticus 26 showed that Jerusalem and the Jews would be downtrodden for 7 "times" ending in 1914, at which time God would return Jerusalem and Jews to favor. In parallel, the madness of Nebuchadnezzar at Daniel 4 showed the "mad" state of the Gentiles, which would also end in 1914. These were two parallel periods.

  Russell also said that the Church (his people) would be "changed" to the High Calling before the Jews became the dominant power on earth. He thus saw two parallel salvations: one for his followers, the other for the Jews.

  Rutherford said that the return of Jews to Palestine was a sign of the 1874 Presence. He ditched the idea in 1931, at the same time that he said the Anointed were to be known as "Jehovah's witnesses". It took another 15 years before the name "Jehovah's witnesses" was extended to the "great multitude".

  Doug
  
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  Finkelstein

  To put it concisely, the attempt in creating a calculation of Christ's return is in effect going directly against what Jesus spoke and condemned in the bible, in that he admonished anyone to make or set a time on god's own sacred time.
  

  The WTS and the the religious charlatans before and after these men went against Jesus's own direction for his true followers. The JWS are just followers of the WTS Corporation and therefore theologically speaking condemned for their actions.
  
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  Doug Mason

  What Russell wrote in The Watch Tower magazine of November 1914 shows his focus:

  Gradually the Jewish people have been emerging from their down-trodden condition—persecuted for eighteen centuries. The time is here when the message has been and is still being delivered to them, as recorded in Isaiah 40:1, 2: “Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God. Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned; for she hath received of the Lord’s hand double for all her sins.–Isaiah 40:1, 2. This prophecy was fulfilled, as pointed out in the STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES, in the year 1878; and ever since that time, the star of Judaism has been rising; the Jews have become more prosperous ever since, as they themselves realize. Nowhere have they been so prosperous as in these United States, where they have received their greatest blessing; while in Russia and Germany they have been persecuted to some extent, but not in the same degree as formerly.

  JERUSALEM NO LONGER DOWNTRODDEN

  The treading down of the Jews has stopped. All over the world the Jews are now free—even in Russia. On September 5, the Czar of Russia issued a proclamation to all the Jews of the Russian Empire; and this was before the times of the Gentiles had expired. It stated that the Jews might have access to the highest rank in the Russian army, and that the Jewish religion was to have the same freedom as any other religion in Russia. Where are the Jews being trodden down now? Where are they being subjected to scorn? At present they are receiving no persecution whatever. We believe that the treading down of Jerusalem has ceased, because the time for the Gentiles to tread down Israel has ended. (The Watch Tower and herald of Christ’s Presence, November 1, 1914, reprints page 5567)
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  stuckinarut2

  Wow!

  That quote as shown by Doug mason is mind blowing! Russels writings were outrightly strange!

  (so mush for no Jewish persecution too...fast forward to 1939.....)
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  fulltimestudent

  James Mixon: Lets be fair, if a prediction doesn't come true, would it be considered a lie?

  Thinking about James, I think if you're telling people they have to do something because of your "prediction," and that prediction is being made because of your "special" relationship with God, the failure of the prediction is a lie, and exposes an even greater lie, the claimed relationship with a divinity.

  
  

  All Christian predictions about the claimed "end-times" are very much dependent on words attributed to Jesus - such as Luke 21. There is little evidence in the biblical texts to show that Jesus thought he was predicting an "end-times" thousands of years into the future.

  It is much more likely that Jesus, reared on a diet of OT texts, was deluded and thought of himself as the savior of Israel from the surrounding pagans, for clearly his words at Luke 21: 32 did not come true.

  32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (NIV).

  
  

  That generation (his) has passed away, and all the things Jesus prophesied, have not come true. So the big lie started back in the first century CE, and Jesus must have been the first liar>

  
  

  then JW lead the way in BS.....

  Agreed, the JWs lead the way in perpetuating the lie