To Guyferna, Re:Complaints

by Joe Nigma 12 Replies latest jw experiences

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  Joe Nigma

  Hey Guyferna!
  God is a free thinker. Yah, he is! I'll prove it too. God says its ok to commit adultery if you want to. He says that anarchy is ok too. He also said that you could explore the same sex relationships, after all sex is only for your gratification and no other purpose. That's why the animals have sex right? He wants you to make big mistakes, after all its your body. He wants you to choose good or bad…either way it ok with him. He loves rapist and Satanist. Wait a minute, back up…I'm sorry I just confused Jehovah God with Satan. See God is an Intelligent thinker not a free thinker. God only wants smart people not people who want to choose to be retards and make big mistakes. He does give us the choice to do bad or good. But, I remember that he said choose good for life and bad for death. Hey, its up to us. No one is putting a gun to your head to stay a Witness.

  If God is a free thinker it wouldn't matter if you are bad or good. But he isn't, he can't even lie ("it is imposible for God to lie"). You know what…if God wanted us to be this so called "free thinker" everyone would have there own ideas and we'd be no better than the confused churches of Christendom. The bible says in 1Corinthintians that we have to be "one" and "unified in the same mind and teachings". The only choice we have is to do good or bad. If we choose bad, prepare to reap its consequences!

  Fact: 1.There is good and bad in all religions
  2. so was the case in bible times.
  3. Judas (one of the 12 Disciples) became apostate and betrayed Jesus.
  4. Christianity although had one bad apple got rid of it and was still God's organization. Judas was no longer a
  5. Members of the Governing Body were disfellowshiped for their apostate ideas.
  6. JWs celebrated Christmas wore crosses and went to war. They also saw then that it was bad and reformed.
  7. Christiandom's churches found wrong teachings and kept them. They are men pleasers. If one commits serious sin that's influential, they keep them and transfer them to other churches and cover up their mistakes to their congregations.
  8.JWs keep the organization clean and keep a unified teaching that is based on the bible. They also use bible aides such as the watchtower that don't replace the bible just help us understand it.
  9. JWs is the only organization that is know for their door to door world wide and unified teaching. Other religions that do so are not successful and fully recognized.
  10. Most JWs that leave the truth don't back to other organizations because they know the false teachings that they have.

  The truth is Guyferna is that these people don't get anywhere here. They deceive a few. When I came here I thought this is a place for JWs. I was fooled. Now that I think of it, HOW DARE THEY! They try too fool you like a wolf in sheep's clothing. They want pity for their poor souls. I too started to think like the world but no longer. I too will not linger in these wolves in sheep clothing sites and will start warning others. Thanks for all your help Guyferna. I too need to get strong in the truth! This is why I'm leaving my facts here. J There are also some inhere that will fallow and will stop innocent ones from falling pray.

  I also wondered about the 1975 thing. I looked and searched and found nothing in any of the watchtower and awake articles. When I ask someone here all they give me is websites. They have no proof. They have as much proof as the national tabloids do.
  I trust tabloids as far as I can throw an elephant. All I found was that it was 6 millenniums after Adam's creation. But you know, God stopped creating after Eve, and who knows when she was created. The important thing is to stay faithful, and like the watchtower says, don't try to guess the day of God. That is what the bible says too.
  I will become an intelligent thinker, not someone brainwashed from apostates into thinking the same way Satan did in the Garden of Eden. And now he is living proof of all the freethinking mistakes (free from God thinking). Thanks Guyferna.
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  Gopher

  There is SO MUCH documentation about 1975 from the Society's own publications, it's hard to know where to begin. I gotta run for now, but I found the following in an earlier post. I'm borrowing from a post from Marvin Shilmer, who did the actual research.

  The thread is located at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=22408&site=3#281139

  *** w68 8/15 499 Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975? ***
  30. What may occur before 1975, but what attitude should we take?

  30 Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man’s existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah’s loving and timely purposes. Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth. It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000 years of Jehovah’s seventh creative “day.” Why not? Because after his creation Adam lived some time during the “sixth day,” which unknown amount of time would need to be subtracted from Adam’s 930 years, to determine when the sixth seven-thousand-year period or “day” ended, and how long Adam lived into the “seventh day.” And yet the end of that sixth creative “day” could end within the same Gregorian calendar year of Adam’s creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.

  *** km 5/74 3 How Are You Using Your Life? ***
  Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.—1 John 2:17.

  *** w68 8/15 501 Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975? ***
  36 Even if one cannot see beyond 1975, is this any reason to be less active? The apostles could not see even this far; they knew nothing about 1975. All they could see was a short time ahead in which to finish the work assigned to them. (1 Pet. 4:7) Hence, there was a ring of alarm and a cry of urgency in all their writings. (Acts 20:20; 2 Tim. 4:2) And rightly so. If they had delayed or dillydallied and had been complacent with the idea the end was some thousands of years off they would never have finished running the race set before them. No, they ran hard and they ran fast, and they won! It was a life or death matter with them.—1 Cor. 9:24; 2 Tim. 4:7; Heb. 12:1.

  There's a lot more, but unfortunately I have to take my daughter home right now. See you!

  -J.R., member, UADNA-MN
  (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Minnesota division)

  This post was not evaluated by any mental health professionals.
  Any opinions expressed are those of a fuzzy, cuddly rodent.
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  Will Power

  Oh oh, someone is in for a surprise.

  7. Christiandom's churches found wrong teachings and kept them. They are men pleasers. If one commits serious sin that's influential, they keep them and transfer them to other churches and cover up their mistakes to their congregations.
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  Dawn

  Well I totally forgot about the reason behind 1975 - 6,000 years since man was created -wow. Now........how do I explain the "Kennewick Man", you know, the skeleton that's dated over 9,000 years old??

  Well - that doesn't matter because I'll know after Armageddon - which should be right around the corner now with that generation of 1914 getting so old and all.......wait.....you mean to tell me that the meaning of a "generation" has changed??

  Well. I guess that's ok - so long as I know that we're in the last days which begain in 1914 because that can be proved by counting back to the destruction of the temple by Babylon in 607 BCE (.....um....darn.....It appears that the temple was destroyed in 586/587, not 607)

  Ok - well - that doesn't matter because Jesus died on the torture stake in 33 CE (....um........wait....it seems that's a little off too, Jesus was born sometime before 1CE, which would mean he died prior to 33CE).

  Anyone see a pattern here?

  Ok guys. I'm not comlaining - just pointing out a few facts that you can research on your own.

  And my two cents worth:

  1) Be sure of your footing before you make your stand;
  2) Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have - 1Peter 3:15
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  WildHorses

  . http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=24611&site=3
  12/15/98 WT Defending Our faith
  "Jehovah's Witness have been targets of false accusations--barefaced lies and twisted presentations of their beliefs......The accusation that numerous children of Jehovah's Witnesses die each year as a result of refusing blood transfusions is totally unfonded.

  From the 5/22/94 AWAKE! The one with all the JW children who died on the cover of it. this was published 4 years before the above watchtower article told about false accusations made about JWs

  "In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it, only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue."

  I don't want someone in my life I can live with. I want someone in my life I can't live without.
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  Farkel

  Dawn,

  Nice sense of irony in your post. Of course, people have been providing evidence for your assertions for years. I have plenty of resources to show loyal dubs that their religion is a sham and a fraud.

  I play the "bad guy" when dubs challenge the facts. I'm fairly good at that.

  They challenge me from time-to-time. They lose. There are many of them, and they come forward from time-to-time.

  I won't name them. If they are watching this board right now, they will come forward and say, "Farkel helped me in his own dipfuck way." They will. Or, they won't.

  Farkel

  edited because I didn't know that Porneia was not allowed on this board.
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  Joe Nigma

  January 1, 1975 Watchtower ~ Will You Live to See Christ's "Coming"? ~
  “Now, we know that Jesus Christ had been in heaven with his Father at the time of earth’s creation. (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:13-17) He knew the exact time of the creation of both Adam and Eve. (Gen. 1:26, 27) He knew precisely when 6,000 years of human history would be completed. He knew exactly when God’s seventh creative day, his great “rest” day began and when it would end. (Gen. 2:1-3) Yet, with all his perfect knowledge of chronology, when he was on earth he did not know the day and hour of his execution of judgment on this world, prior to when his thousand-year reign begins. (Rev. 20:4-6) …How, then, could any human today possibly figure it out?
  In Noah’s time he was told, one week before the floodwaters fell, to take into the ark the specimens of the various animals that were to be preserved. (Gen. 7:1-16) But this does not prove that there would be advance notice in our time as to the exact day of Christ’s “coming” to destroy this present system of things. …That even the disciples of Jesus Christ, true Christians on earth, will be unaware beforehand of the precise time of Christ’s “coming” in this executional sense is shown by what he said as recorded at Matthew 24:42-44. “

  We have been living in the last days since 1914. We are even closer now. The awareness is there! See, even in the articles that you posted don’t prove on anything that you are saying. I am sorry, you don’t cut the mustard on that. Your quotes are only proving what I’m trying to say.
  All I see is an awareness for the time of the end and they are still doing it. Thank you for fortifying my faith.

  ON A WEIGHTIER NOTE:
  This letter was for Guyferna, you may read...please don't respond
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  Gopher

  So Joe...There was NO emphasis (by the WT Society) on the 1975 date? Can you honestly say the Society heeded the counsel "No man knows the day or hour" and "Don't go beyond the things written".

  The reality is that the Society kept that date "front and center" in order to stir up anticipation among its members. If you wish to endlessly forgive the WT Society and to continue to follow it, despite the fact that it ignored Scriptural counsel, then fine.

  Does the Society ignore scriptural counsel now, today, since 1975? Keep reading this discussion board and www.freeminds.org for the answer to that.

  I was once like you, thinking that the Society was the ultimate source of all truth. But they've goofed way too often to live up to their claim of being "God's sole channel of truth for mankind".

  -J.R., member, UADNA-MN
  (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Minnesota division)

  This post was not evaluated by any mental health professionals.
  Any opinions expressed are those of a fuzzy, cuddly rodent.
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  aprostate

  Joe wrote: I also wondered about the 1975 thing. I looked and searched and found nothing in any of the watchtower and awake articles. When I ask someone here all they give me is websites. They have no proof.

  Are you kidding Joe? Were you a Witness in 1975? If you were, I don't know how you could say that.
  Cheri
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  Simon

  Joe Nigma and Guyferna are the same person BTW.