Lincoln

by glenster 18 Replies latest social entertainment

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Has anyone seen Abraham LIncoln: Vampire Hunter? I read it this summer. It was definitely summer reading. My cable company is offering it for a fee. The book was fun but I don't know whether to spend more money.

  • tec
    tec

    I saw it Band, and like it. But i had not read the book. My husband read the book, and thought it was not bad. Usually, i find you have to have lower expectations of a movie, if you've read the book first. It (almost) never meets your hopes.

    I could have waited for it to come out for free though.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Thanks, Tammy. I will wait until I can see it on Netflx.

  • Quentin
    Quentin

    Either I heard, in passing, or read a blip that Tommy Lee steals the show.... I shall wait with patience to see the movie...

  • glenster
    glenster

    "The Last of the Mohicans," 1992
    Daniel Day-Lewis as Nathaniel Hawkeye in an update of the 1936 movie of the
    James Fenimore Cooper novel.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RltflxiFiE
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_of_the_Mohicans_%281992_film%29

    "Cobb," 1994
    Tommy Lee Jones as Ty Cobb. Disputed as biography. It's agreed he was about
    every kind of SOB--definately not Lincoln--but one of the few greatest baseball
    players.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwsVN1v_1ak
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobb_%28film%2

  • glenster
  • Heaven
    Heaven

    Opens tomorrow to a much larger number of theatres in Ontario, Canada. Can't wait! Want to see it soon... maybe Saturday afternoon or early evening.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Do they cover his program to send black people back to africa, to the country called liberia?

    S

  • glenster
    glenster


    The movie is about the last four months of Lincoln's life for which that
    issue is debated.

    "Abraham Lincoln was born February 12, 1809, in Hardin County, Kentucky
    (now LaRue County). His family attended a Separate Baptists church, which had
    high moral standards and opposed alcohol, dancing, and slavery."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery

    Lincoln grew up in an abolitionist church although it took him some time to
    push the idea as political and not just personal. He had a common idea that
    African-Americans were relatively intellectually inferior, shouldn't be jurors
    or marry European-Americans (Lincoln-Douglas debates), but believed they
    deserved the same legal and political rights to liberty and happiness as anyone
    else. How to effect this in that place and time was something else.

    Debate centers on how he managed change given strong opposing stances
    socially. Change was opposed by many as going too far so was conceding to them
    pragmatic or his personal view? Was the change slow because society had to be
    changed carefully to preserve the Union or because he slowly changed as he
    learned? Illinois was strongly prejudiced. Criticism alive since the Civil War
    days emphasizes the hook or by crook methods to paint him as only concerned to
    succeed as president. It's probably safer to figure he was in favor of
    abolitionism at least and needed to be pragmatic about effecting change.

    He held the idea of some noted abolitionists that integration wouldn't work
    and sought to have African-Americans colonize several areas such as Liberia,
    British Honduras, and the Chiriqui region of Panama (then Columbia). The
    effort was a disaster. It's debated if he gave up the idea in 1864 only as too
    difficult to execute and unrealistic or still held out for the possibility of
    it.

    In 1864, he also wrote to the governor of Massachusetts that "If, however, it
    be really true that Massachusetts wishes to afford a permanent home within her
    borders for all or even a large number of colored persons who wish to come to
    her, I shall be only too glad to know it."
    http://www.abrahamlincolnsclassroom.org/Library/newsletter.asp?ID=54&CRLI=134
    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-11-11/business/ct-perspec-1111-things-20121111_1_lincoln-property-thomas-lincoln-bixby-letter

    "General Benjamin F. Butler claimed that Lincoln approached him in 1865 a few
    days before his assassination, to talk about reviving colonization in Panama.
    Historians have long debated the validity of Butler's account, as it was written
    many years after the fact and Butler was prone to exaggeration of his own ex-
    ploits as a general. Recently discovered documents prove that Butler and Lincoln
    did indeed meet on April 11, 1865, though whether and to what extent they talked
    about colonization is not recorded except in Butler's account. On that same day,
    Lincoln gave a speech supporting a form of limited suffrage for blacks."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery#Colonization

    It is known that he lived in a racially mixed area, talked with Frederick
    Douglass, saw that African-American soldiers were helpful in the war, and grew.
    By April 11, 1865, he advocated a limited idea of suffrage for African-Americans
    who were intelligent and served the country. This indicates reason to expect he
    could have grown more and things would have been better if he'd lived longer,
    too.
    http://www.kansas.com/2012/11/16/2569927/louis-p-masur-how-great-an-emancipator.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery

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