Is North Korea Changing ?

by fulltimestudent 44 Replies latest social current

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    There's a good chance that a process of change is occurring in NK, which I'll come back to, as first I'd like to briefly explain how Korea became divided.

    I've spent a lot of time this past calendar year on the history and development of Korea, this last semester focussing on modern Korea with all its sadness, commencing with the Japanese takeover in 1905, and the full annexation and military occupation in 1910.

    Many Korean's (naturally) opposed the Japanese occupation. Some actively fought the Japanese as guerilla's in the mountains. Kim Il-song's family, who were Christians were among the opposers, so we can assume that anti-japanese talk was part of the families conversation. When Kim Il-sung turned 14 he left school and attempted the establishment of a patriotic youth group with leftist tendencies. When the Japanese eventually caught him he was jailed for 17 months. On release he took to the hills and joined an anti-japanese guerilla group in Manchuria. This brought him into contact with the Chinese Communist Party that by this time was organising the Chinese anti-japanese war in the North of China from their HQ in Yenan in N.W. China. (Officially, the Japanese had taken over Manchurua also and set up an independent government and appointed the former Chinese Emperor, Pu Yi as head of state.)

    The Japanese Kwantung Army which was very powerful, both politically and as a military force, gradually made life very difficult for the guerillas and eventually forced these groups, including Kim Il-sung's, out of Manchuria into Russsian Siberia. Here for the first time, Kim came face to face with the power of an industrialised socialist state. The Russians (never sure if Japan would attack) maintained a very strong army on its borders with Japanese forces. That Army fought two actions against the Japanese prior to WW2 and won both of them, quite interesting to know that when considering the ease with which the Japanese over-run the Philipines and S.E.Asia.

    As WW2 progressed and the tide turned in favour of the western Alliance, Churchill and Roosevelt pressed Stalin to declare war on the Japanese, which Stalin agreed to do, after the defeat of Germany. After Germany's surrender Stalin assembled a huge Army on the borders of Manchurua. Over 1,000,000 soldiers, 20,000 field guns, 5000 tanks, and 5000 aircraft. All this was done under cover of darkness and when Russia finally declared war on August 8, 1945, striking in three large pincer movements the Japanese crumbled. In just 6 days the Soviet armies overrun an area the size of Europe, including penetration of the Korean Peninsula. The American administration had hardly given any consideration to the future of Korea. An emergency meeting of Army Generals decided a partitioned arrangement may be agreed to by the Russians, which is what happened and which act was the real commencement of the current situation of two Koreas.

    Kim Il-sung and his band of guerilla's had been inducted into the Soviet Army and he was brought back as part of the Soviet adminstration, along with other Koreans who had been fighting against the Japanese with the Chinese Communists in Manchuria. In reality many Koreans stayed on in China to fight against Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist Army - the beginning of a debt of blood that eventually forced the Chinese government of the new Peoples Republic of China into the Korean war (among some other reasons).

    From the end of WW2 until the beginning of the Korean war, Koreans migrated to the side with which they felt most affinity, leftist sympathisers went north and rightists went south.

    Out of that came the current situation and a major tension point in world affairs.

    So is the tension between north and south going to wane ? - Too early to say that, but many observers who travel to North Korea (which may not be what many in the west imagine) are noting signs of change.

    In particular, our lecturer for the last few months, sent this web reference out today:

    Its published by Cankor, a Canadian organisation that claims to seek a rational solution to the NK/SK divide. The author is Ruediger Frank who was in North Korea in April and has just returned from a second visit.

    find his story at: vtncankor.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/an-atmosphere-of-departure-and-two-speeds-korean-style-where-is-north-korea-heading-by-ruediger-frank/

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    If understanding the problem of North Korea interests you, this Youtube videos may be of help:

    The first is a production by the ABC (the Aussie one - A corporation owned by the Australian government) made in 2007 - I think this may be a point of reference to note any changes that may appear.

    Its called, Parallel Universe - North Korea.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSMQrMV5vcM&feature=related

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    I certainly hope so. I think China is encouraging them to change economically.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    I agree with you YY2, the Chinese must really worry about North Korea. Their problem is that the legal infrastructure to protect assets just does not exist in NK. One large Chinese company invested a lot of money in NK, and they are still fighting the NK government for control of the assets.

    But how else can the people of NK get a better life? Perhaps at this moment there is enough to eat, but the situation is not stable.

    Anyway, we can keep hoping and try to be informed so that stupid talk does not build tensions.

    I wanted to post this shorter video also. Its called 'We Pledge,' and any ex-Witness/ex-Christian will immediately start thinking of militant Christianity, and songs like, 'Onward Christian Soldiers', and the JW versions like 'Firm and determined in this time of the end, prepared are God's servants the Good news to defend etc, etc, etc.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd3Xd-zW3c8

    If the North Korean people can't see reality because of the fog of propaganda that surrounds them, then we should remember that most of us could not see reality either, and that we were also surrounded by a fog of propaganda.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Must be a bit like touring ny bethel.

    S

  • insearchoftruth4
    insearchoftruth4

    perfect comment. S

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Much more so than you may imagine, Satanus and isot4:

    At Bethel you labour for an allowance and your keep (food etc). In NK its the same. Wages are low, but there is also a ration system. At the state stores, North Koreans exchange their coupons for their choice of food, at very low prices. So its very similar to bethel. In affect "GOD" supplies your needs, be it Yahweh and his son, or Kim Il-sung or his son.

    And, as in Bethel, you can get superior accommodation if you get into the top echelons.

    The North Korean system is superior in this respect. If Kim Jong-un visits your work unit and he is pleased with your work, he may give you an expensive Rolex or similar. Bethel workers don't get that now do they?

    The problem faced by both systems though, is the same. How do you keep the workers motivated when promises do not come true? IN NK, the news is seeping out that in China things are so much better, that in South Korea things are so much better. And Kim Jong-un KNOWS its better in the west - he went to school in Switzerland, an Island of prosperity in prosperous Europe.

    The witnesses GB have the same hassles as Kim and his Korean Workers Party.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Interesting news.

    Yonhap News confirms that two North Korean defectors (in 2008), Kim Kwang-hyok and his wife Ko Jong-nam have returned to North Korea last Sept.12.

    They seem to be the third or fourth returnees this year.

    english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northkorea/2012/11/09/0401000000AEN20121109003000315F.HTML

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    'The witnesses GB have the same hassles as Kim and his Korean Workers Party.'

    Not easy, being cult leaders;) I wonder how much looser south korean society is. Very rigid, i imagine. The main population of japan originated from the middle of korea.

    S

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    S - I think that South Korea (today) is likely a much more relaxed society. I have not seen any info (yet) on what complaints the Kim-Ko couple may have had with life in South Korea.

    Perhaps they are like the Russians (and people of other former Soviet Republics) who are nostalgic for the 'good old days.' when you had free medical care, free education, a supplied apartment and a job for life. Perhaps you did not have much money, or much personal freedom or freedom to travel. But you were free from worries about essentials.

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    And, yes you are right about the origins of much of the Japanese population, including (likely) a significant background of the Imperial family lineage. I've noted the news items of the past week, but I feel its anachronistic to call these common ancestors "korean.'

    The populations of east Asia were always moving and changing. They were mobile people, moving on horseback, not usually with fixed borders. Its difficult to get a handle on the first peoples in N.E.Asia. perhaps the best mirror are the native peoples of the Americas. Perhaps twice in the last twenty thousand years there were large migrations from (what is now) Siberia, into North America, although I think there may always have been some movement across the Bering Strait, and that mobility is reflected in Japan (maybe 30+% affinity with the Mongols, and in Korea. Its also reflected in China. What we call 'Han,' is a name for many different groups of people that accepted Chinese civilisation. Often the North of China was in the hands of the Steppe people. Xiong nu and others more like the Manchus (who formed the last Imperial dynasty) and the Mongols who conquered China in the thirteenth dynasty and all the way to Adriatic sea.

    Earlier in history the Huns from central Asia and thought to be part of the steppe people, contributed to the collapse of the western Roman Empire and became the nobility of both proto-France and proto-Germany.

    So to speak of ethnic Chinese, or ethnic Korean or ethnic Japanese does not mean much, except in modern terms.

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