C t Russell and jellyfish case

by Jaime l de Aragon 23 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • ziddina

    "Q. In her room?
    A. Yes, sir. And I found him in the servant girl's room as well. And I found him locked in the servant girl's room.

    Q. Did he make any explanation why he was in the girl's room?
    A. No. He did not; he just got angry. ..."

    Depending on the age of this "servant girl", we may be looking at the first case of Watchtower Child Molestation...

  • ziddina

    And here's another indication that Russell apparently preferred 'em young...

    "JW sources portray Rose Ball as 10 to 15 years old when she lived with the Russells:

    Miss Ball came to them in 1889, a child of ten... She was an orphan. (A Great Battle in the Ecclesiastical Heavens, 1915, p18)..."
  • AnnOMaly


    Rose Ball was born in 1869. That would make her 19 or 20 in 1889. The WTS report about her being 10 years of age then is in error, as is the claim that she was an orphan - unless they meant it symbolically ;-) See the documentation in the links above.

  • Jaime l de Aragon
    Jaime l de Aragon

    (From actual Brooklyn, New York, USA newspaper article about C.T.Russell, founder of Jehovah's Witnesses)



    But Mr. Russell at the Tabernacle: Only Submitted to it to be Kind.



    He Sometimes Ministered to the Sick, Locked in Another Girls Room Innocently.

    (Special to The Eagle)


    Pittsburgh, October 27 - The suit for a separation brought by Martha (sic) F. Russell against Charles Taze Russell, her husband, popularly known as Pastor Russell, who has just entered a libel suit against The Brooklyn Eagle, is remembered here as one of the most sensational court proceedings in the history of Allegheny County.

    Pastor Russell's Advertising methods had already attracted a good deal of attention to himself, and while many referred to him as "the crank preacher of Allegheny," his unusual lectures and effective publicity methods drew good-sized crowds to his Bible House on Arch Street.

    When the fact that Pastor Russell's wife was suing him for a separation became public much general interest was aroused and the courtroom was thronged during the proceedings.

    The testimony which elicited the most comment concerned the relations of Pastor Russell with Rose Ball, a young woman stenographer employed by Pastor Russell in the Bible House on Arch Street. This testimony was given by Mrs. Russell on direct examination on Thursday, April 26, 1906. It was ruled out by the court on the ground that the incidents to which reference was made were said to have occurred on a date which precedes the dates mentioned in Mrs. Russell's bill of complaint. Pastor Russell recurred to the incidents when he went on the stand several days later, and gave his version of what had happened. Rose Ball was not called to the stand, as she left for Australia shortly before the case came to trial.

    The verbatim record of this testimony taken from the official report of the case on file in the office of the Prothonotary of Allegheny County is as follows:

    Q. I want you to tell us what your husband did in company with this woman Rose, in your presence and in your home.

    A. In the first place I considered it--(objected to and witness was not permitted to finish.)

    Q. Tell us what you saw and what he said was done.

    A. One evening he spent the evening downstairs and our library and bedroom were next to each other upstairs on the second floor, and I spent the evening downstairs reading, and I went upstairs about 10 o'clock to my room, and I supposed that: he was either in the library or had retired, and when I went up there I found that he was in neither place, and I stepped out in the hall, and I found that he was in his night robe, sitting beside Miss Ball's bed and she was in bed. On other occasions I found him going in there and I found she called him in and said she wasn't well and wanted him in, and I objected to this, and I said that it was highly improper, and I said: "We have people about the house, and what kind of a name will be attached in this house if you do that sort of thing?" and he got angry.

    Pastor's Wife Tells of His Alleged Nightly Visits

    Q. You state that you found him doing this at other times. How often after that?

    A. I found him a number of times; I don't remember how often.

    Q. In her room?

    A. Yes, sir. And I found him in the servant girl's room as well. and I found him locked in the servant girl's r oom.

    Q. Did he make any explanation why he was in the girl's room?

    A. No. He did not; he just got angry.

    Q. What did you say to him about this conduct and what did he say.

    A. I said to him, "We have a great work on our hands," and I said, "In this work you and I have to walk very circumspectly before the world and if you are going to do things like this, what will happen? Suppose you are all right, don't you suppose people will talk about things like this?" and I said, "I am not satisfied with it," and he said he wasn't going to be ruled by me. But I felt distressed about that.

    Q. What did Rose do at the Watch Tower.

    A. She attended to the correspondence.

    Q. Where was her desk with reference to the desk of Mr. Russell of the Watch Tower Society?

    A. It wasn't near his; it was in the office.

    Q. When would he go to the Watch Tower, in the morning?

    A. I don't remember; he generally went down alone.

    Q. Who would return with him?

    A. She came with him in the evening and they came about 11 o'clock and the young men that were in the office -- she was the only girl, and the young men would go home, and he wouldn't allow her to go home with them, and she must wait and always go with him.

    (Objected to.) Q. I want the mere fact, did this girl Rose go home with your husband?

    A. Yes, Sir.

    Q. What year was that?

    A. In the fall of 1894. (By Mr. Porter, attorney for the plaintiff.)

    Q. Did you state to your husband at this meeting any endearing terms?

    A. Yes, sir.

    Q. What were they?

    A. I said "She tells me that one evening you came home --" I asked her when did these things occur. I said to him, "She says they occurred down at the office when she stayed down there with him in the evening after the rest had gone, and at home at any time when I wasn't around."

    Q. Now, about the endearing terms?

    A. She said one evening when she came home with him, just as she got inside the hall, it was late in the evening, about 11 o'clock, he put his arms around her and kissed her. This was in the vestibule before they entered the hall, and he called her his little wife, but she said "I am not your wife." and he said "I will call you daughter, and a daughter has nearly all the privileges of a wife."

    Q. What other terms were used?

    A. Then he said, "I am like a jellyfish. I float around here and there. I touch this one and that one, and if she responds I take her to me, and if not, I float on to others"; and she wrote that out so that I could remember it for sure when I would speak to him about it. And he confessed that he said those things.

    Q. And the young men came home ahead of them?

    A. Yes, sir.

    Q. State to the court and jury what talk, if any, you had with this girl Rose, in regard to her relations with your husband, which you communicated to your husband?

    This question was objected to and it was changed to read as follows: Q. You are to tell what you stated to your husband that Rose had said and his reply to you.

    Mrs. Russell Says Girl Told Her of Pastor's Caresses.

    A. I told him that I had learned something that was very serious and I didn't tell him right away. I let a day elapse until I felt I had control of myself and could talk and then I told him that I had something very serious to tell him about this matter, and he said, "What is it?" and I said, "Rose has told me that you have been intimate with her, that you have been in the habit of hugging and kissing her and having her sit on your knee and fondling each other, and she tells me you bid her under no account to tell me, but she couldn't keep it any longer. She said if I was distressed about it she felt that she would have to come and make a confession to me, and she has done that. (By the court.)

    Q. What did he say?

    A. He tried to make light of it at first and I said, "Husband, you can't do that. I know the whole thing. She has told me straight and I know it to be true." Well, he said he was sorry; it was true, but he was sorry. He said he didn't mean any harm. I said, "I don't see how you could do an act like that without meaning harm."

  • Jaime l de Aragon
    Jaime l de Aragon

    Rose Ball was with them about 10 years,caught them by surprise his wife, Rose Ball would have 19 years, well, how long she had been taking the pulse? Or was just turned 19 when she took the pulse

    Rose Ball

  • Leolaia
    Rose Ball was with them about 10 years,caught them by surprise his wife, Rose Ball would have 19 years, well, how long she had been taking the pulse? Or was just turned 19 when she took the pulse

    No, no, she was either 19 or 20 when she first came to the household, and was 25 years old in 1894 when Russell sexually harrassed her. Those are facts.

    Rutherford was a liar. Big surprise.

    Depending on the age of this "servant girl", we may be looking at the first case of Watchtower Child Molestation...

    "Servant girl" didn't imply minor; it implied servile status. The term referred to female domestic servants who could have been in their teens, twenties, thirties....we just don't know anything about this person.

    "...my black servant girl named Hannah, about twenty years of age to be retained as a servant" (Collections of the New York Historical Society, 1807, p. 80), "A servant girl, 25 years of age..." (The Medico-chirugical Review and Journal of Practical Medicine, 1 Apr. 1834, p. 483), "A servant girl, 26 years old, was attacked with epilepsy" (The American Journal of the Medical Sciences, 1839, p. 222), "A servant girl, 17 years of age..." (Eclectic Journal of Medicine, January 1840, p. 90), "Jane Johnston, a servant girl, 32 years of age..." (The Edinburgh Medical and Surgical Journal, 1843, p. 103), "Johannah White, a servant girl, 16 years of age..." (Clinical Lectures on Certain Acute Diseases, 1860, p. 27), "A servant girl, fifteen years of age..." (Ohio Medical Journal, March 1849, p. 351), "One, a servant girl, 23 years old, was blind..." (Archives of Ophthamology and Otology, 1877, p. 485), "For sale: The (unexpired) time of service of an indentured German servant girl. She is a strong, vigorous and healthy person, not more than twenty-five years of age" (The Guardian, May 1878, p. 143), "Lizzie L., an American servant girl, 19 years old" (Chicago Medical Journal and Examiner, January 1878, p. 9), "In the first case, of a servant girl, 36 years old..." (Medical and Surgical Reporter, 4 Feb. 1882, p. 116), "An interesting case is related of a servant girl, nineteen years of age..." (New England Journal of Medicine, 18 Dec. 1890, p. 589), "First, servant girl, 17 years old, treated from April 3d to January 22, 1888, cured" (Transactions of the Medical Society of the State of California, 1891, p. 298), "made an attack on a servant-girl (aged 22)" (Therapeutic Suggestion in Psychopathia Sexualis, 1895, p. 83), "...a remarkable case, that of a servant-girl, 35 years of age..." (Annual of the Universal Medical Sciences, 1895, p. H-36), "A servant girl, 28 years of age, had complained of pain in the lower abdomen..." (University Medical Magazine, 1895, p. 529), "B. K., 32 years old, servant-girl, admitted Oct. 5, 1895" (Atlas of Syphilis and the Veneral Diseases, 1898, plate 53), "G. S., 24 years old, servant-girl, admitted Aug. 18, 1896" (plate 67), "In the London Hospital Reports, Vol. III, will be found the case of a servant girl of twenty years of age, who died at the hospital..." (Boston Medical and Surgical Journal, 2 Nov. 1899, p. 436), etc.

  • Jaime l de Aragon
    Jaime l de Aragon

    …The girl in question came to the Russells in 1888 as an orphan about ten years old… Mrs. Russell testified that the alleged incident occurred in 1894, when this girl could not have been more than fifteen years old… Though Miss Ball was then living and Mrs. Russell knew where, she made no attempt to procure her as a witness and presented no statement from her. (Yearbook 1975, p69)

    Who wrote the 1975 yearbook?, Is lying, why?

  • Leolaia

    Did you not read the linked references? It's a lie. "Rule 1: The Society lies".

  • Jaime l de Aragon
    Jaime l de Aragon

    Yes, but why lie the yearbook? That Winning with that, not Rutherford in 1975 are other

  • Leolaia

    Russell was accused of sexual harrassment by his wife. By portraying Rose as a little orphan girl (another lie — Rose was not an orphan) when she came to the Russells, it made the thought of sexual impropriety (especially in context of the Victorian sensibilities of the age) more unthinkable.

    That is how the statements about Rose's age were used in the Great Battle booklet and the 1975 Yearbook. They were apologetically trying to use that information to create the impression that Russell COULD NOT have sexually harrassed Miss Ball.

    Of course it backfired on the Society because now the lie they created is cited everywhere on the internet as evidence that Russell was a child molestor.

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