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Do Jehovah's Witnesses know what happened to them in 1954?
by Terry 60 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Terry
Great Post Terry. Your posts nearly always point out some new flaw in the Society's operating manual that I have never considered previously.
It came to me one day that the Society runs the religion the way a magician presents a magic illusion; mainly through controlling the angle of view
and a lot of misdirection.
So, I try to look at the same old things from a non-audience POV to find out where the "trick" is being carried off.
If you find the "sweet spot" it all comes tumbling down for the fraud it is.
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Terry
The magazine was first called,
In 1909 The Society dropped the word Zion from the title and called it,
From its first issue in 1879 to 1938, that is for the first 60 years, the Watch Tower magazine's title contained the words "Herald of Christ's Presence."
Then, on January 1st 1939 the magazine’s title was changed to,
The Watchtower and Herald of Christ’s Kingdom .
On March 1st of 1939 the Society changed the title to its present form,
The reason the Watchtower magazine was originally created was to "HERALD CHRIST'S PRESENCE ."
Yet today, “Christ’s Presence” has been eliminated from the title.
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Ding
The reason the Watchtower magazine was originally created was to "HERALD CHRIST'S PRESENCE ."
Yet today, “Christ’s Presence” has been eliminated from the title.
Rather embarrassing that they announced his presence and then decided he wasn't there from 1874-1914 as they had previously taught...
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Terry
Every eye could SEE he was...um...invisible.
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Sazz
ohhh wowww..... i cant believe what im reading here! do you guys honestly believe that refinements in knowledge should not be made? Every group of people may start out believing something and realize that it doesnt work out so good or it isnt exactly true and then they refine it.
If you are parents and you set rules in your household and later realize that those rules didnt really work cos your 13 year old is knocked up anyway , wouldnt you look to refine those same rules?? or adjust them and bring in a totally different set of rules?? Im sure some of you would!
About the Witnesses, I think they do know what happened. Many of them were aware that they worshipped Jesus as God and the refinement was made and many didnt agree with that adjustment. Its stated in a book of theirs that they read till today!Those who chose to accept that Jehovah alone deserved worship remained.
At the end of the day noone is forced to follow the rules... many of you have already jumped ship so whats the big deal?
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Terry
ohhh wowww..... i cant believe what im reading here! do you guys honestly believe that refinements in knowledge should not be made? Every group of people may start out believing something and realize that it doesnt work out so good or it isnt exactly true and then they refine it.
So, it's what you read HERE you can't believe?
What you say in defense of the Watchtower Society makes perfect sense..IF..you ignore a very important fact which changes everything.
The big IF is as follows...
The writers and leaders of the Watchtower claim it isn't mere imperfect men making their best guesses who publish these things needing "refinements".
"This chronology is not of man, but of God. Being of divine origin and divinely corroborated, present-truth chronology stands in a class by itself, absolutely and unqualifiedly correct...." (Watchtower, July 15, 1922 p. 217)
This puts the blame for error on GOD and absolves the men running the Watchtower.
"The true doctrines of the Bible had been so twisted throughout the period of apostasy that no clear vision of Christ's second presence would be possible until these doctrines themselves had been cleared up....It was not yet God's due time to bring about his restoration of true worship."
Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose pg. 14They are saying the faithful and discreet slave cleared up the twisted doctrine. How did they do that if everything they publsihed was also twisted and needed refinement?
In the second century Iranaeus (a prominent presbyter of Lyons) says the following in this regard:
“It is unlawful to assert that the apostles preached before they possessed “perfect Knowledge,”as some do even venture to say, boasting themselves as being improvers of the apostles. For, after our Lord rose from the dead, the apostles were energized with power from on High when the Holy Spirit came down upon them. They were completely filled and had perfect knowledge. They departed to the ends of the earth, preaching the glad tidings of the good things sent to us from God.” (s. 180 E/W), 1.414
In the third century Tertullian (a prominent presbyter of Carthage) said the following:
The heretics usually tell us that the apostles did not know all things…. Exposing Christ to blame for having sent forth apostles who had either too much ignorance, or too little simplicity. What man of sound mind can possibly suppose that they were ignorant of anything, whom the Lord ordained to be teachers? (c. 197, W), 3.253.
The teachings of the Apostles was complete and the JW's say those teachings had gotten corrupted UNTIL the FDS repaired the damage by channeling the Truth of Jehovah in their publications.
But, you seem to think Jehovah found it necessary to print ridiculous false chronology and wild claims that brought ridicule on the name Jehovah.
And it was the Watchtower corrupt teachings that was superior to the twisted teaching of Christendom?
I'm sorry. None of what you are saying makes any sense.
Jehovah chose THIS ORGANIZATION to reveal the pure Truth and it took them from 1879 to 1954 to figure out the proper place of JESUS in man's worship??
That strains credulity!!
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Terry
At the end of the day noone is forced to follow the rules... many of you have already jumped ship so whats the big deal?
Disfellowshipping means you lose your friends and family (who are required to shun you.)
What's the big deal?
You live in a free country and cannot express distress that you've been told something is TRUTH and then have it changed... on penalty of losing your family? That's not a big deal to you?
Criticism of the leadership was constantly happening in the day of Jesus and his apostles--but--it is NOT ALLOWED by JW's. Do they hold themselves
to higher standards? Are the Governing Body above criticism?
They are supposed to be SLAVES and not Lord it over people.
If you cannot question what the GB publishes as "true" and cannot speak up later when that is changed to something else...
how can you correct them?
Are they above correcting?
Didn't the Apostles not confront each other when they felt they were teaching something wrong?
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blond-moment
They don't realize Jesus isn't their mediator either. They don't realize Jesus was taken from them in 1979, and replaced with the GB.
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Terry
If you are parents and you set rules in your household and later realize that those rules didnt really work cos your 13 year old is knocked up anyway , wouldnt you look to refine those same rules?
Let me see if I understand your reasoning here. You are making an analogy between parents making rules for minor children and saying that is comparable to teaching millions of people that the world will end on a certain date and then pretending you were right when it doesn't happen?
If those parent's pretend they are speaking for the Chief of Police and the children find out they are lying about it---shouldn't those kids be upset at the misrepresentation?
Hypocricy is not a "refinement" in one's doctrine and teachings.
The Watchtower Society is hypocritical in the declarations from its leadership.
They condemn false prophecy while committing it themselves!
True, there have been those in times past who predicted an "end to the world," even announcing a specific date. Some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end. Yet, nothing happened. The "end" did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? Missing was the full measure of evidence required in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that he was guiding and using them. ("A Time to 'Lift Up Your Head' in Confident Hope," Awake!, October 8, 1968, 1).
"... it is easy to say that this group acts as a “prophet” of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. " (Watchtower. April, 1972, 197.)
