by TheTruthBR 28 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • TheTruthBR

    Watchtower Library Online:

    Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY Welcome. This is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah's Witnesses.

  • baltar447

    interesting. Wow no further back than 2000? lame

  • BlindersOff1

    If you don't want to be tracked as coming from this site to the Watchtower site. Cut and paste the link into a new tab

  • straightshooter

    I guess they ran out of storage space to post publications before the year 2000.

    Good catch baltar447.

  • Quendi

    This is another attempt by the WTS to concede the presence and effect the Internet has but baltar447 is right to be unimpressed. The oldest publications listed go only back to 2000, and I wouldn't be surprised if their texts differ in some respects from the original versions. The WTS did that with its Watchtower Library CD and that gives me reason to believe it will do likewise with this online repository. Thanks, ThetruthBR, for alerting us to this new development.

    The WTS wants to erase its past with all the problems its examination would create. At the same time it wants to appear to be progressive technologically speaking as well as seeming to provide research materials for those Witnesses who are still serious about the religion. Maybe more publications will be added and older material will be made available. We'll see, but even if that happens I don't think the Society's motives for creating this "library" are altruistic ones.


  • cedars

    Thanks for this link. I've actually ordered the 2012 CD-ROM but it hasn't come yet. Either that, or it has come and they won't give it to me until I turn up at the local KH to collect it! This website will help to plug the gap in the meantime.


  • wallsofjericho
  • Disillusioned Lost-Lamb
    Disillusioned Lost-Lamb

    This is just L-A-M-E.

    If they want people to believe they aren't covering anything up then why do they hide stuff?

    I mean if they are da-troof then what have they got to hide?

    Do they not get just how fishy this seems?

    Are they really that arrogant, ignorant and bold, REALLY?!?!?!

    This is a new low even for them.

  • diamondiiz

    Thanks TheTruthBR and welcome

    Present troof is only 12 years old, anything older may be viewed as old troof and unreliable. JWs don't usually do research anyways, so 12 years of their latest crap is more than sufficient for majority of jws. I wonder if dubs will be encouraged to use this "valuable" resourse instead of wts-cd. This would mean less wts-dvds to be made, which would also mean a good way of eliminating it all together, which means no more pre-2001 material available to the jws and especially new recruits.

    It's interesting that they don't have all these publications in pdf format to be downloaded (at present link to which means old lite good be updated online without any noticing. But this is still at early stages so they may add more later on but I wouldn't hold my breath on that possibility.

    texts differ in some respects from the original versions. The WTS did that with its Watchtower Library CD

    Quendi:do you have any proof that they've changed text in cds from their publications? I know they've changed some text from mags to boundvolumes and transfered updated info into cd-roms which would mean they did likewise with revised books like revelation, but other than that, if you have specific changes that didn't take place in bound volumes but did occur on their digital format please share.


  • Fernando

    Welcome theTruthBR, and nice catch.

    Could it be the WBT$ can no longer afford the CDs?

    Might they add older publications???

    Or is this a scheme to get rid of some very useful pre-2000 publications (especially Ray Franz articles) that expose them for what they are???

    For any that can use it in some way: Theocratic Ministry School Schedule for 2012

  • therevealer

    try this instead. not much different.

  • therevealer

    should have added a haha. I was not trying to get traffic for that site.

  • Quendi

    @diamondiiz: No, my friend, I don't have any proof the WTS is altering or revising documents for its online library. I was speculating more than anything else about the library's content. But given how the WTS has certainly done this with respect to both The Watchtower and Awake!, it would come as no surprise if it did likewise with other materials. It would all be part of the same pattern that has already been established.

    But it would be better to present incontrovertible proof of this rather than speculation. I don't have access to what little WTS literature and materials I owned nowadays but maybe one of our friends on this board would be willing to do a cross-check and analysis. We did have a thread a while back in which someone showed a change between the text of an Awake! bound volume and the Watchtower Library CD version of that same magazine. I'll see if I can't find it.

    I would be very surprised if older material was added to the online library. This organization has a shameful history and I believe the Governing Body is doing everything in its power to conceal it. Publications have gone out of print and in some cases the hard copies are very difficult to secure. Witnesses are actively discouraged from reading the writings of Russell and Rutherford as well as anything written in the first years of Knorr's presidency.

    Transparency is anathema to this organization. I agree with the thought that the real purpose behind producing this online library is to stop producing the Watchtower Library CD with its abundance of twentieth century material and force Witnesses to rely exclusively on the online library for any research needs. The carefully selected and edited material that will be made available there will better suit the WTS's purpose to keep the door to its past shut and locked as it would seem that only twenty-first century publications will be made available.

    I hope that the more thoughtful among the rank-and-file can see through this charade of openness the WTS is playing. In the last days of the Soviet Union, glasnost (openness) and perestroika (restructuring) were the buzz words used to signify that true reform was coming to that country to save it from disintegration. The USSR imploded anyway despite all the effort expended to save it. Well, the WTS needs both glasnost and perestroika also, but I don't think its leaders will adopt either until it is too late.


  • wallsofjericho

    Could it be the WBT$ can no longer afford the CDs?

    YES! that's it!! this will mean the death of the WTL on CD. They may produce a "limited supply for those unable to access the internet but these will be made available by special request by the COBOE"

    Good call Fernando

    I don't doubt for an instant the WTL on CD for general distribution will go the way of the dodo with 2 years

  • Balaamsass

    NUU NUU NUU light. When I was a kid I grabed the Studies in the scriptures off my mothers "display" bookcase and began reading them. A few days later my mother saw me reading them and the look on her face was priceless..she looked like I was reading porn, as she grabed them out of my hands and scolded me for reading that "old light crap" ! LOL

  • Greybeard


    Here is one of my favorite articles in the last 10 years out of the WT:

    I am glad it is online now!

    "What, then, did the expression “despicable fool ” signify? The word used here sounded similar to a Hebrew term that means “rebellious,” or “mutinous.” It designates a person as morally worthless, an apostate and a rebel against God. So the person addressing his fellow as a “despicable fool ” is as much as saying that his brother should receive a punishment fit for a rebel against God, everlasting destruction. From God’s standpoint, the one uttering such a condemnation against another could merit that severe sentence—everlasting destruction—himself.—Deuteronomy 19:17-19."

    Notice that calling someone a "despicable fool" is equated to calling them an "apostate"!

    " In his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus Christ warned his followers: “I say to you that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice; but whoever addresses his brother with an unspeakable word of contempt will be accountable to the Supreme Court; whereas whoever says, ‘You despicable fool !’ will be liable to the fiery Gehenna.”—Matthew 5:22."

    More on this article HERE


  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Marking for later.

    Thanks to TheTruthBR.


  • sir82

    Actually, it does make the annual update to the WT-CD obsolete. It was pretty silly to issue a whole new CD every year when 99% of the contents were unchanged from the year before.

    From a cost-cutting standpoint it makes perfect sense. Now they can produce just a single WT-CD for information prior to 2000 and just update the online site annually. Much cheaper (not that producing new CDs was all that expensive to begin with).

    Of course, as 2000 recedes into the distance, the "WT-CD for years prior to 2000" will eventually go "out of print".

  • sd-7

    "Un-believable." I found out about this from my wife showing my mom, before I even knew this thread was here... Interesting. It does make a nice way to erase the past, but I don't think that's 100% necessary anyway. If they really felt a need to do that to a serious degree, then they would never have bothered to create the Watchtower Library CD-ROM to begin with, because they would've had to do a heck of a lot of erasing. The main stuff JWs care about--JHVH's name, sovereignty, the organization, how awesome JWs are compared to those "Christians"--all of that is still going to be there, so...almost no one will notice anyway.

    But...this is cool, in its own way. In the long run, maybe I can delete the CD-ROMs off my computer altogether and eliminate a few hundred MB of clutter off my hard drive. Also, it's easy to mine for quotes, and the last couple of years have so many classic moments, so...this is literally hours and hours of fun. I'll be up all night drawing close to Jehovah...and no doubt this will help many Christian youths in their struggle to flee from Internet pornography.

    Said Andre, a Christian youth who struggled for years with the habit of viewing pornography: "Using the Watchtower Online Library really helped me to focus my thoughts on spiritual things whenever I was tempted. I added it to my Favorites folder, and I read from it daily to keep my mind fortified to resist the lure of pornography." He also sought the help of congregation elders to adjust his viewpoint. If you are struggling with some bad habit, can you make use of Jehovah's fine provisions as Andre did? Such a wise course will greatly help you in your struggle.


  • 00DAD

    Here is a copy of the June 18th, 2012 Letter to All Congregations regarding the WT Online Library.

    Notice the vague and weasely, "the electronic text may contain grammatical or technical adjustments from what appears in print" in the second paragraph.

    Hmmmm, why might THAT be?

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