What Place the 10 Commandments in Modern Society?

by AK - Jeff 7 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    This is NOT my essay - but it mirrors my opinions on the matter.

    The entire essay found here: http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/10c.html

    The key portion I wanted to share for those willing to think it about how the insistence of fundamental Christians demanding the posting of this Jewish decalog widely within our government institutions and schools, is both foolish and oppositionary to the very principles they claim to uphold.

    First Commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3)

    Those who say it does not violate the separation of church and state to post the Ten Commandments in public buildings clearly have never read the Ten Commandments. The first one explicitly commands us to worship the Judeo-Christian deity and no one and nothing else; for the government to endorse this message by displaying it in classrooms or courthouses would be a blatant violation of the First Amendment. How can this not be considered an establishment of religion?

    This sort of intolerance stands in direct opposition to the principles of freedom of conscience and religious liberty upon which America was founded. Not only that, it speaks poorly of whatever deity or belief system would enshrine it as a high principle. Why, an atheist might ask, does God care about this? Why is he so concerned that he get all the credit? Why does it anger him so much when people worship things other than him? For a benevolent creator, would it not be enough that people admire the beauty and the grandeur of his creation, even if they call him by a different name when they praise him?

    It strains credulity to believe that the infinite creator of the cosmos would be so petty, so small-minded. Far more likely is that this set of laws reflects not the wishes of a divine being, but the beliefs of the culture that created them, a culture which believed in a cruel and jealous god that mirrored the primitive state of their own moral development. The Ten Commandments themselves give evidence of their thoroughly human origin.

    Second Commandment: "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments." (Exodus 20:4-6)

    The second commandment is essentially a continuation of the first one. However, in its prohibition against making representations of "any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth", it further shows how Western democracy is not built on the Ten Commandments. To the contrary, the Ten Commandments are fundamentally opposed to the individual rights that form the basis of all modern democratic societies. While the first commandment is against religious freedom, this one is also against freedom of expression. Michaelangelo's David, the Mona Lisa, even the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel - all the famous works of art that have become iconic to our society would not exist if the second commandment had been universally obeyed.

    This commandment also says much about the personality of the biblical god. In the space of one verse, he identifies himself as jealous - a quality generally agreed to be negative among human beings, though he seems almost proud of it - and proclaims that he punishes people for the crimes of others. Are these characteristics of a good and moral being? Is this justice?

    Third Commandment: "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." (Exodus 20:7)

    Continuing with the religious commandments, this one contradicts yet another of the inalienable rights granted to the citizens of progressive nations - this time, the freedom of speech. For God to threaten punishment for those who use his name in vain (i.e., in ways he decides it should not be used) would be like the U.S. Congress passing a law that made it illegal to speak badly of the government. This commandment is not in accord with the principles of democracy; like many of the others, it is against them.

    Fourth Commandment: "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-11)

    Like the first three, the fourth commandment has no secular intent whatsoever. It is, instead, a rule about how a specific god is to be worshipped within the context of a specific religion. It would be an obvious establishment of religion, and a glaring violation of separation of church and state, for the government to enforce this commandment by law or display it on public property in a way that conveys endorsement. Furthermore, this commandment contradicts the principles of capitalism and the free market that America and the other First World nations so faithfully abide by in other areas. Why shouldn't people be able to work whenever they choose?

    Fifth Commandment: "Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee." (Exodus 20:12)

    After four commandments that are purely religious in nature and intent, serving no purpose other than dictating how to worship a specific god, we finally come across the first one that has anything to say about matters of secular behavior. However, while this one is generally a good idea, it is too broad and too vague to be a law. Should we honor neglectful or abusive parents? Should we honor parents who aren't prepared for the responsibility of parenthood and do a poor job raising their children? Should we honor parents whose religious beliefs cause them to beat their children, deny them an education or withhold needed medical treatment from them?

    Loving, caring, competent parents certainly deserve to be honored. But no one automatically becomes worthy of respect merely by having a child. Being a parent is a great responsibility, and respect comes from living up to that obligation. As one of the Ten Commandments, this one could be improved upon, or replaced entirely. How about "Honor your children"?

    Sixth Commandment: "Thou shalt not kill." (Exodus 20:13)

    Some theists say Western society's laws are based on the Ten Commandments, but the sixth one is the very first that could even possibly be taken as substantiation of that claim. It is a good general principle, although it strains credulity for anyone to claim this is evidence of divine origin. Human beings figured out that it was wrong to kill each other independently in many cultures throughout history without the Bible; this idea can be justified on purely human grounds, and we need no divine revelation to see why it is a good idea.

    But the problem is this. As a general principle to live by, this isn't bad, but as a law such a brief dictate cannot stand on its own. It needs elaboration. Does this mean we're not allowed to kill animals and plants for food? Does this mean we're not allowed to kill in self-defense? What about abortion, euthanasia or capital punishment?

    If this law is to be understood, as the plain meaning would seem to indicate, as a blanket order forbidding all killing, then the Bible clearly breaks its own rule numerous times. The Old Testament prescribes death as the penalty for even the most trivial offenses - blasphemy, disobedience in children, picking up sticks on the Sabbath - and more notably, God himself orders the Israelites to wage war on their enemies on many occasions, often explicitly instructing them to wipe out foreign tribes to the last man, woman and child, a crime which today we would call genocide. If such actions do not fall within the boundaries of the Sixth Commandment, then what actions can it be understood to forbid?

    Seventh Commandment: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." (Exodus 20:14)

    The claim that Western society is built on the Ten Commandments grows increasingly farfetched. How many countries prosecute adultery as a criminal offense today?

    Whatever one might say about adultery as a violation of marital vows, a cruel and selfish betrayal of someone who loves you, or unfair to one's family - and one can say all these things - it is still a consensual act between two adults. Given that the Ten Commandments are supposedly the most important list of laws ever codified, it seems as if there would be other things more deserving of inclusion. Why not a prohibition on the much more serious crimes of rape or child sexual abuse instead?

    The Bible's stance on both of the above is also worth examining. According to Deuteronomy 22:28-29, if a man rapes a woman who is not betrothed, the only repercussion is that he must marry his victim. (The woman is apparently not given a choice in the matter.) In some circumstances, when a rape is committed the woman faces punishment. The situation for pedophilia is even worse. While chapters such as Leviticus 20 give long lists of sex-related crimes, prohibiting sex with in-laws, adultery, homosexuality, bestiality, sex with a menstruating woman, and so on, nowhere - not once - does the Bible ever set a minimum age of consent; nowhere does it ever say that sexually molesting children is wrong. This seems like a serious omission, to put it mildly.

    Eighth Commandment: "Thou shalt not steal." (Exodus 20:15)

    Stealing in almost all cases is indeed wrong. I will therefore only note that in several instances (Exodus 3:22, Exodus 12:35-36, Ezekiel 39:10; Luke 19:30-34), the Bible approves of the faithful stealing from and plundering others.

    Ninth Commandment: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." (Exodus 20:16)

    A commandment against lying is, in general, a good moral principle. But like the commandments against stealing and killing, this one is too absolute and not detailed enough to be a law governing behavior. What if one can prevent a greater crime by lying - such as the Germans during World War II who hid Jewish families from the Nazis, or Rahab the harlot who did something similar with Joshua's spies in Jericho? Or, more simply, is it right to lie in situations where the truth would needlessly hurt a person's feelings?

    And again, few if any Western nations have laws forbidding lying (except in certain restricted circumstances, such as perjury). However wise such a principle might be, democracy is not built on it.

    Tenth Commandment: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's." (Exodus 20:17)

    The final commandment seems redundant. Do we really need commandments against stealing and coveting? Doesn't having one make the other unnecessary? Furthermore, it seems as if it would be impossible to obey this one even if you wanted to. The others prohibit actions, but this one apparently forbids a state of mind. A person chooses to steal, but does anyone reallychoose to covet? Wouldn't prohibiting this be like, as the saying goes, trying not to think of a white elephant?

    Additionally, this commandment further illustrates the point that Western society is not based on the Ten Commandments. In fact, the free-enterprise economy that America and other nations run on is fundamentally dependent on coveting - it is what inspires them to work hard, to make money and to succeed. If people didn't covet, capitalism wouldn't work.

    As a final aside, it is revealing what this commandment says about the mindset of the authors of the Bible. Within the space of one rule, it shows that they had no problem with slavery (the Hebrew words here translated as "manservant" and "maidservant" carry that connotation) and saw wives as the property of their husbands. Wives are included along with slaves and cattle on the list of things "that [are] thy neighbor's"

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    Religion badly misrepresents the 10 commandments, their context, their intent and their application.

    Many have written and spoken on this.

    One aspect of the law is that it can be used as a mirror and benchmark to see or discern the extent of our fallen, dysfunctional, aberrant and corrupt state and hence our need of the cure-all gospel message.

    Paul was clear that we are not put right with God by adhering to a list of rules, which none of us can do perfectly anyway. "Legalism" was not the intent of the law, and Jesus roundly condemned the Pharisees for using and extending the law to that end (Matt 23).

    The renewing of our hearts was and is important to God under both the Old and New Covenants or Testaments.

  • truth_b_known
    truth_b_known

    The 6th commandment is actually: Thou shall not murder. The difference is that murder is an unlawful act whereas there may be a lawful reason to kill a person. There are even laws in the Mosiac Law that further this and we seem them mirrored in our modern laws.

    The 7th commandment is directly related to the real reason marriage was even created: property rights. Prior to currency, wealth was measured in land and livestock. Women were prohibited from owning property. Therefore, it was important for men to produce a legitimate male heir to pass his wealth on to. Sleeping around and producing multiple male heirs with multiple women presents a huge problem.

    The 10th commandment: See "The 7th commandment".

    Commandments 1-4 are all BS as they, like all religions, are just a tool to control the masses.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Two recent Supreme Court cases, McCreary and Van Orden, released together found contradictory (to many) results about the place of Teb Commandments in American government. McCreary involved a public display of the Ten Commandment in a Southern court building. A minister was invited to pray at the ceremony erecting the plague. The clear intent was to hold the Ten Commandments as an essential part of American governance. The Court ruled that since only the Ten Commandments were shown, and the actual text used (different Christian religions use different versions so chossing one text over another indicates government preference for the selected text. The Ten Commandments reflect a larger American culture that also includes sacred scriptures from other religions.

    Van Orden involoved a small statute at the Texas State Capitol grounds. It was erected many years ago by a nonreligion group. No prayers were uttered. The text was not clear so no content was endorsed. The Court said that it was surrounded by a sea of memorials setting forth important moments in American history, it was permissible.

    The Ten Commandments are admirable in my view. I don't see what is wrong with acknowledging them as a tradition involving one of history's most important law makers, Moses. The Supreme Court emphasized that their own Ten Commandment monument was surrounded by art depicting great law givers from a sundry of cultures. The conservative right, Santorum, Bachman, keep asserting that we are a Christian nation. I feel they should be disciplined for giving flase legal information. The Founders purposefully chose not to have a Christian nation. As C.S. Lewis noted, the Ten Commandments embody universal principles of human morals. Every culture has a similar code. Let me assure you that the Ten Commandments are not studied in law school nor are they are tested on the bar exam.

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    This question is addressed in Galatians 3.

    Paul explains that the Abrahamic Promise (the "good news") was eternal and unchangeable. It was made 430 years before the Law Covenant.

    Therefore the Law Covenant and its 10 Commandments were not some suddenly introduced clause or addendum now requiring "rule keeping" to earn what was already promised as a free gift!!!!

    Instead the 10 Commandments were given for us to better understand how far we are from perfection. This would help us better see and appreciate the breach between God and man that Jesus would heal.

    Religionists however delight in using the 10 Commandments (plus many of their own rules and codes of conduct) for "rule keeping", to control the "dumb sheeple". In so doing they lead people away from the "God of Abraham" and to the "god of religion" instead.

    Paul called the Galatians "foolish" or "senseless" for succumbing to these religionists and their "legalism".


    From the Amplified Bible (Gal 3):

    1 O you poor and silly and thoughtless and unreflecting and senseless Galatians! Who has fascinated or bewitched or cast a spell over you...

    15 To speak in terms of human relations, brethren, [if] even a man makes a last will and testament (a merely human covenant), no one sets it aside or makes it void or adds to it when once it has been drawn up and signed (ratified, confirmed).

    17 This is my argument: The Law, which began 430 years after the covenant [concerning the coming Messiah], does not and cannot annul the covenant previously established (ratified) by God, so as to abolish the promise and make it void.

    18 For if the inheritance [of the promise depends on observing] the Law [as these false teachers would like you to believe], it no longer [depends] on the promise; however, God gave it to Abraham [as a free gift solely] by virtue of His promise.

    19 What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added [later on, after the promise, to disclose and expose to men their guilt] because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    Religion badly misrepresents the 10 commandments, their context, their intent and their application.

    While I softly agree, the commandments really could be cut down if the "only true" God didn't waste such efforts on jealousy against nonexistent gods. Feel free to find a way to put a more positive spin on the commandments.

    At least truth_b_known tries to properly "represent" some commandments.

    "Legalism" was not the intent of the law, and Jesus roundly condemned the Pharisees for using and extending the law to that end (Matt 23).

    "The Law" was not these ten commandments. A long list of legalistic laws is found in the Bible. They spelled out so much to complicate things. It was clearly meant to be legalistic. But, one good thing I can say is that not one single group of people ever even tried to live "under the law." Not the Jews nor any other group.

  • donny
    donny

    Also a question to ask is which set of ten commandments. The version at Exodus 34 is different than the earlier mention In Ex 20 and the Ex 34 version is the only one that is actually called "The 10 Commandments."

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Howdy Jeff,

    1. : Those who say it does not violate the separation of church and state to post the Ten Commandments in public buildings clearly have never read the Ten Commandments.

    That's not the point. "Separation of church and state" is found nowhere in the United States Constitution. Furthermore, that un-constitutional phrase has morphed into a bizarre animal of it's own, likely due to atheists and "progressives" agenda to secularize this Country.

    The 1st Amendment merely states that the US Government shall make no law regarding the ESTABLISHMENT of religion, i.e. a State religion like Britain had. Manger scenes and Christmas, Crosses on mountains, quiet time to say a silent prayer in schools, ten commandments in public buildings are NOT "laws" establishing religion. The "wall of separation" doctrine which is often used by atheists and progressives is merely the opinion of a supreme court justice. It is NOT part of the Constitution.

    2. This 2nd commandment merely proves that Bible-God is a jealous, vindictive asshole and a prick.

    3. " "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain". This one shows that Bible-God is not only a prick, but a prankster! He didn't even make sure we knew exactly what his name IS! How can we take a name in vain if we don't know what it is? If I said "Jehovah is a prick", would the Creator just chuckle, but if I said "Yahweh is a prick" would he doom me forever? How do we know if either of those names are the precise name of God? If God gave a shit about his precious name, he would do well to make sure his children knew exactly what it is. But he didn't. So if God doesn't give a shit to let us know his precious name, I don't give a shit enough to try to figure out what it is.

    4. " Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy...i n it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates "

    Criminals and arsonists would love it! Cops and fire-fighters would be home sipping tea on the Sabbath. People would die because first-responders are doing the same. Doctors would be worshiping God while their critical patients lay dying in hospitals. "Sorry. Try not to die before Monday." What a GREAT day to start a War! All the soldiers would be singing Kumbaya.

    5. This commandment REALLY bothers me. Kids are told to honor their father and mother, but kids are rather helpless in choices compared to the their parents. There is not ONE WORD in this commandment that tells parents to treasure and nurture and cherish and love and protect their children. Which of these two things is more important?

    6. " "Thou shalt not kill." This commandment "given" by God applies to everyone EXCEPT God. One human kills another, that human is doomed forever. God wipes out the entire planet in Noah's day and no one bats an eye. Bible-God is just like politicians, only worse: politicians believe all the laws and rules they make apply to everyone but themselves.

    7. "Thou shalt not commit adultery." Not a bad idea, but hardly worthy of being one of THE ten commandments. "Don't beat the shit out of your wife and rape your own children (take notes on this, Lot)" would be a more important commandment, in my not so humble opinion.

    8. "Thou shalt not steal." This one a ludicrous! Firstly, no civilization could exist if everyone was able to steal from everyone else with impunity, and plenty of civilizations existed before "God" thought to put this obvious commandment in writing.

    9. " Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." I have to laugh at this one, because it is so specific. It excludes banning all other sorts of pernicious lying. Why not just, "Don't lie or I will fuck you up?:

    10. " Thou shalt not covet..." Coveting doesn't hurt the person being coveted, and since stealing is a result of coveting and since not stealing is already a commandment, we should have only had 9 commandments. Just think of all the paper that would have saved over the centuries!

    My 2c.

    Farkel

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