Do apostates voices represent voices of strangers?

by Mr Facts 13 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Mr Facts
    Mr Facts

    How the Voice of Strangers Is Heard Today

    10 Deceptive reasonings. The apostle Paul states: “Do not be carried away with various and strange teachings.” (Hebrews 13:9) What sort of teachings? Since they can ‘carry us away,’ it is clear that Paul refers to teachings that undermine our spiritual balance. Who are voicing such strange teachings? Paul told a group of Christian elders: “From among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.” (Acts 20:30) Indeed, today as in Paul’s day, some individuals who were once part of the Christian congregation now attempt to mislead the sheep by speaking “twisted things”—half-truths and outright lies. As the apostle Peter puts it, they use “counterfeit words”—words that resemble truth but that are actually as worthless as counterfeit money.—2 Peter 2:3.

    11 Peter further exposes the methods of apostates by stating that they “will quietly bring in destructive sects.” (2 Peter 2:1, 3) Just as the thief in Jesus’ illustration of the sheepfold does not enter “through the door but climbs up some other place,” so apostates approach us in stealthy ways. (Galatians 2:4; Jude 4) What is their aim? Peter adds: “They will exploit you.” Indeed, no matter what apostates may say to the contrary, the real aim of intruders is “to steal and slay and destroy.” (John 10:10) Beware of such strangers!

    12 Harmful associates. The voice of strangers may be heard through those with whom we associate. Harmful associations especially endanger youths. (1 Corinthians 15:33) Remember, Satan singled out Eve—the younger and less experienced of the first human pair. He convinced her that Jehovah had unduly restricted her freedom, when in reality the opposite was true. Jehovah loved his human creation and cared for their welfare. (Isaiah 48:17) Similarly today, strangers try to persuade you youths that your Christian parents unduly restrict your freedom. How may such strangers affect you? One Christian girl admits: “For a while my faith was weakened to a certain extent by my classmates. They kept saying that my religion was restrictive and unreasonable.” Yet, the truth is that your parents love you. So when schoolmates try to persuade you to distrust your parents, do not be misled as Eve was.

    13 Regarding harmful associations, the psalmist David states: “I have not sat with men of untruth; and with those who hide what they are I do not come in.” (Psalm 26:4) Again, do you note the trait typical of strangers? They hide who they are—just as Satan hid his identity by using a serpent. Today, some immoral people hide their identity and true intentions by using the Internet. In chat rooms, perverse adults may even pose as youths to lure you into a trap. Young ones, please be extremely cautious lest you be harmed spiritually.—Psalm 119:101; Proverbs 22:3.

    14 False accusations. Although some news reports about Jehovah’s Witnesses are fair, at times the media let themselves be used to broadcast the biased voice of strangers. For instance, in one country a news report falsely stated that the Witnesses supported Hitler’s regime during World War II. In another one, a report accused Witnesses of vandalizing churches. In several countries the media accused Witnesses of refusing to give medical treatment to their children and also of deliberately condoning serious sins committed by fellow believers. (Matthew 10:22) Even so, sincere people who know us personally recognize that such accusations are false.

    15 What should we do if we are confronted with accusations spread by the voice of such strangers? We do well to take to heart the counsel of Proverbs 14:15: “Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps.” It is unwise to believe everything presented as truth in the media. While we certainly do not distrust all secular information, we do recognize that “the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.”—1 John

  • Quendi

    Well, all I have to say after reading this is that it all applies to the WTS in full force! The accusations leveled by many opposers have more than a grain of truth to them. The Witness organization does indeed exploit others through the use of counterfeit words. It approaches unwary people and poses as a friend, and once they are integrated into the structure tells them they must indeed every word coming out of the Governing Body's collective mouth. Pedophiles have been and still are being shielded by the secretive nature of Witness star chamber proceedings in the guise of judicial committee matters. I could go on and on but I think all can see my point.

    There is an old saying that when you point a finger at someone you have three more pointing directly back at you. That is certainly true of the execrable WTS and the malicious organization it has built up over the decades. They are just like the false shepherds, the ravenous wolves Christ faced in the first century. Thanks again, Mr. Facts, for sharing this propaganda with us. I marvel now how I used to not only read this kind of harmful material, but championed its viewpoint inside and outside the congregation.


  • Fernando

    They definitely do.

    Scripturally the "voice of the shepherd" refers to Jesus.

    Scripturally the "voice of the stranger" refers to Satan the Devil.

    Scripturally religious leaders (as a class) are apostate and from their father the Devil. (There are favourably disposed individuals amongst the apostate clergy class, whom God can and does use in various ways. Think Ray Franz and some of the gems it seems he left behind in the Watchtower, like on "legalism" and on the "experiment that failed").

    Scripturally the Watchtower is apostate (spiritually unfaithful), and just one of the many spiritually blind, confused, inebriated and insane Harlots that inhabit Babylon the Great the world empire of ALL religion (which is antithetical to authentic spirituality and faith).

    The Devil is behind the core supremacist, sectarian, anti-gospel, and anti-Christ pillars of the Watchtower: legalism, moralism, ethnocentrism and Gnosticism.

    It is no accident that followers of the Watchtower are ignorant of the "good news" according to Paul, Moses, Isaiah and Psalms (more than half the Bible's roughly 152 references to the "good news").

  • Phizzy

    As the WT/JW religion never was God's Organization, they are not ,and never were, "the Christian Congregation",they have never taught the truth, so if men "arise from among them and speak twisted things" from the JW perspective , it is odds on those men are speaking the truth.

    So, although the words of the writer of Hebrews never did, or will, apply to JW's, any who oppose the twisted JW doctrines are likely to be promulgating something closer to Truth than the WT/JW's ever have.

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  • JWB

    Proverbs 14:15: "Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps." It is unwise to believe everything presented as truth in the Watchtower.

  • still thinking
  • Mr Facts
    Mr Facts

    The WT encourages you to make decisions based on your view of the world and bible-trained outlook if you have any, the WT has never forced anyone to believe everything they present.

    Six Steps to Making Good Decisions

    10 Avoid being presumptuous. Before choosing a course of action, we need to ask ourselves, ‘Is this my decision to make?’ King Solomon wrote: “Has presumptuousness come? Then dishonor will come; but wisdom is with the modest ones.”—Prov. 11:2.

    11 Parents may grant their children the opportunity to make some decisions, but children should not just assume such authority. (Col. 3:20) Wives and mothers have a measure of authority within the family but do well to recognize the headship of their husbands. (Prov. 1:8; 31:10-18; Eph. 5:23) Likewise, husbands need to recognize that their authority is limited and that they are subject to Christ. (1 Cor. 11:3) Elders make decisions that affect the congregation. However, they make sure that they “do not go beyond the things that are written” in God’s Word. (1 Cor. 4:6) They also follow closely the direction they receive from the faithful slave. (Matt. 24:45-47) We can save ourselves and others much anxiety and grief if we modestly make decisions only when we have been granted the authority to do so.

    12 Do research. “The plans of the diligent one surely make for advantage,” wrote Solomon, “but everyone that is hasty surely heads for want.” (Prov. 21:5) For example, are you considering a business proposal? Do not let emotion rule. Gather all the relevant facts, seek the counsel of those familiar with such things, and determine what Bible principles have a bearing on the matter. (Prov. 20:18) To organize your research, prepare two lists—one detailing the benefits, the other the liabilities. Before you make a decision, “calculate the expense.” (Luke 14:28) Consider the potential impact that your decision will have not only on your financial health but also on your spiritual well-being. It takes time and effort to do research. But by doing so, you may avoid making hasty decisions that lead to unnecessary anxiety.

    13 Pray for wisdom. Our decisions will honor God only if we invite him to help us in making them. The disciple James wrote: “If any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep on asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching; and it will be given him.” (Jas. 1:5) There is no shame in admitting that we need God’s wisdom to help us make decisions. (Prov. 3:5, 6) After all, relying purely on our own understanding can easily misguide us. When we pray for wisdom and search out the principles in God’s Word, we allow holy spirit to help us discern our real motives for wanting to take a certain course of action.—Heb. 4:12; read James 1:22-25.

    14 Make the decision. Do not rush straight to this step before doing research and praying for wisdom. A wise person takes time to ‘consider his steps.’ (Prov. 14:15) On the other hand, do not procrastinate. A procrastinator may come up with outlandish excuses for not taking action. (Prov. 22:13) But he still makes a decision—he decides, in effect, to let others control his life.

    15 Implement the decision. The effort we expend to make a good decision can be wasted if we do not follow through and vigorously implement it. “All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power,” wrote Solomon. (Eccl. 9:10) To succeed, we must be willing to allocate the resources needed to implement our decisions. For example, a congregation publisher might decide to pioneer. Will he succeed? He likely will if he does not allow excessive secular work and recreation to sap his strength and rob him of the time he needs to take care of his ministry.

    16 The best decisions are seldom the easiest to implement. Why? Because “the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) We must wrestle against “the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.” (Eph. 6:12) Both the apostle Paul and the disciple Jude indicated that those who decide to honor God will have a fight on their hands.—1 Tim. 6:12; Jude 3.

    17 Review the decision and make adjustments if needed. Not all decisions work out exactly as planned. “Time and unforeseen occurrence” befall us all. (Eccl. 9:11) Even so, Jehovah expects us to persevere with some decisions though we may encounter trials. A person’s decision to dedicate his life to Jehovah or to make a marriage vow is not negotiable. God expects us to live up to such decisions. (Read Psalm 15:1, 2, 4.) Most decisions, though, are less weighty. A wise person will from time to time review the decisions he has made. He will not let pride or stubbornness prevent him from adjusting or even reversing a decision. (Prov. 16:18) His prime concern is to make sure that his life course continues to honor God.

  • nugget

    I think you'll find that you do have to believe current doctrine as it is presented. Got to love stupid especially when it is jumping up and down saying look at me.

  • SweetBabyCheezits

    18 Stop being a fucking child. Grow up and stop having others do your thinking for you. Anyone who wants you to be less-educated isn't looking out for your best interests. Read a book that isn't published by your goddamn cult. Check references. Check facts. Go to school. Learn how to differentiate fact from fiction. Stop basing your entire life on the will of a few old men who have to rely on their own judgment, which has proven shitty in times past.

    Question on Paragraph 18: How can I avoid wasting my life?

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