The Name "Jesus" - Another Take

by AGuest 60 Replies latest jw friends

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Ummmm... peace to you all... and I think some of you may have missed the point of the thread (surprise), which I pointedly stated:

    Again, I am not sharing the information for you to put faith in what itsays, but only to show that I am not the only one... and that there are others who have the same "issue" and understanding (as to the name "Jesus") and are entirely independent of [any knowledge] of me.

    It was not about the name at all... but about the position of some that I, alone (and those "few" here who "follow" me - ) are the only ones who have this position. On occasion I am challenged to show where others do, as well. As I stated, I was made aware of this particular article just the day before yesterday. Of interest is that it was posted in 2001. That really was it and all.

    If my memory serves,dear Shelby, and it is not reliable nowadays, I believe you have a thread or a post somewhere that explains fully why the name is as you say. Could you post a link please ? or if you have time post an explanation on here, for new members especially.

    Lemme take a look, dear Wobble (peace to you, dear one!) and get back to you!

    Bible names have always interested me , but this is more important than just surface meanings.

    Yes, I understand...

    The article in your link claims that Mary's native tongue was Hebrew ? I thought that Mary, and your Lord, were speakers of Aramaic as a first languge ?and then more likely Greek as a second, and Hebrew third ??

    Aramaic... which is a form of Hebrew/Chaldean... thus, Hebrew... then Greek... is my understanding. Again, there are things in the article and site that disagree with my understanding... but that was not the point. I have not been sent to those dear folks, and so will put faith in my Lord's words that "he that is not against you is for you." We agree on THIS matter (the name "Jesus"), and that's was all I was conveying (that it's NOT just me... or people who know me).

    I am not being rude here, but I am interested, when your Lord speaks to you, do you hear the actual voice, if so, what accent has the voice, or perhaps it is not as simple as that ?

    I totally get that you are being sincere, dear one - no rudeness detected/assumed, at all. I do hear the actual voice. There's no accent, but there rarely is, is there, when one speaks the language? Since I am granted to hear in my language, English, however, there's no accent. My understanding, though, is that he is not SPEAKING in English, or Aramaic, or Hebrew, or Greek... but a language that came LONG for any of these ever existed. Some might call it the "tongue of angels," but it's not like the "tongue" that many who claim to speak "in tongues" (but have no idea what they're saying) use. That is something that makes absolutely NO sense to me. When my Lord speaks it is not IN English... but I "receive" it in English. As for Hebrew and Greek, I also HEAR both of those languages... as well as Aramaic... when he permits me to. That's what the gift of "interpreting tongues" allows its possessor to do: understand different languages as they're being spoken. I don't speak a single one, though. That's an entirely different gift ("speaking in tongues").

    I don't understand why you make such a drama out of it.

    No drama, dear Cofty (peace to you!). Just an update to the Household of God and those who go with... who deserve to know, IMHO. Now, if some who are NOT of that House... or don't believe themselves to be... like you... simply cannot help themselves and so open, read, and comment on the threads that I post of this nature... what can I do?

    Dear N.Drew... the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one. Now... and forever.

    Again, peace to you all!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • cofty
    cofty
    if some who are NOT of that House... or don't believe themselves to be... like you... simply cannot help themselves and so open, read, and comment on the threads that I post of this nature... what can I do?

    Same thing you always do - ignore difficult questions, obfuscate and prevaricate.

    PS - Hebrew and Aramaic are not the same language.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    PS - Hebrew and Aramaic are not the same language.

    Not sure if you're addressing me with that statement, dear Cofty (again, peace to you!), but I'm thinking no, because I stated:

    Aramaic... which is a form of Hebrew/Chaldean."

    The Jews of my Lord's day, who were descended from those exiled to Babylon, spoke a language that combined their language (Hebrew) with that of their ancestors' captors (Chaldean); however, many also spoke pure Hebrew (the Jewish purists)... and some even pure Greek (the dominant language due to Greece having been the previous ruling "world" power). The Romans spoke Greek, as well... although the emerging langauge was theirs, Latin.

    C'mon, dear Cofty... what's "eating" you, NOW? Why are you being a curmudgeon "just because"? Surely, you have better things to do with your time today? I mean, there are a gazillion other threads for you to waste your time on. Why mine? Just askin'...

    Again, peace to you, truly!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • cofty
    cofty

    Leaving the borg is only a first step in what should be a journey to a more reasoned life.

    It is truly depressing to see how much superstition, pseudo-science and general woo is promoted by some who retired their critical thinking skills too soon.

    There is no more prolific purveyer of woo than you Shelby. Just keeping you honest.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    There is no more prolific purveyer of woo than you Shelby.

    There are a LOT of people who come here and proclaim their faith, dear Cofty (again, peace to you!). I truly do NOT understand why you and some others rank me as you do. Truly. I am just a mother, wife, sister, niece, friend, neigbhor, employer... fellow poster... and slave of Christ. Nothing more. I share what I receive. What are you dear folks AFRAID of? The truth?? Why??? Because you have already been lied to? But doesn't that mean you should be afraid of LIES????? There is no harm in truth as to these matters, dear one; there is only harm in lies... masquerading as truth... at to these matters.

    Just keeping you honest.

    And I appreciate that, truly. But you truly don't have to (you, in particular, as I am sure there are other much more interesting topics on this board for you to concern yourself with) - my LORD keeps me honest... for his sheep, those like you, and all others.

    As I've stated many times before, I cannot lie to you dear ones. Have you not seen what sharing the truth has GOTTEN me, over the years? Trust me, MY life would be MUCH easier... if I would just lie. You think some "follow" me now? Imagine what would happen if I were to just make stuff up (which I could very well do!)... and just use charisma: I could tell these dear folks anything I wanted to. And many would follow THAT. As Christ said, "If I came in my OWN name..." So, yes, I could lie... as many here apparently want me to, would have me do. But, I cannot. My love... for God... Christ... Israel... and even you... won't allow it. Not as to what I receive... and from Whom... on these matters.

    So, I guess we'll continue this. I wish it weren't so, though, but that you would focus on things that make you... joyful... and not angry, sad, or concerned. But, well... you do you.

    Again, peace to you!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • cofty
    cofty

    I wish it weren't so, though, but that you would focus on things that make you... joyful... and not angry, sad, or concerned. But, well... you do you.

    None of this makes me angry, sad or concerned Shelby, I have lots of worthwhile interests that make me joyful and some that also benefit others. Asking purveyors of woo to explain themsleves is not a big deal to me don't worry but thanks for your concern.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Shelby,

    Don't pretend to be dense. You are not a fool. I think you are other bad things but a fool, no way. You cannot constrict replys. Write funny things all day but you have no power to restrict participation. Simon might but never you. I dond't care if you posted here for 10.000 years. You give provacative titles to your thread. You do every thing in your power to create controversy. I believe you would curl up and die w/o an audience. Next, you complain that the 2 or 3 people who follow you but never state original content of their own are not your only replys.

    Don't do massive marketing if you don't want the replies. Not posting, but sending your message through your mental powers magically, is the solution.

    Poor, poor creature. Has Google ads, jingles on the radio, full page glossy ads in Vogue and Vanity Fair, NYT and WSJ ads, broadcast ads, cable ads, and then she is upset that people respond. Oh, if only all suffered such indignity. Yes, cancer patients dying agree, your situation is worse.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Dear Wobble... again, peace to you! If an effort to avoid some of the name calling and other false accusations that are aimed in my direction, I have sent what you asked for via PM. Just so's we don't muddy up this particular thread and I get accused of, well, h*ll, I don't know what all, now. Anyway, check there in another minute or so.

    Again, peace to you!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • tec
    tec

    No one restricted anyone. Just questioned participation.

    Band, do you remember that you gave advice recently that if you don't like a poster, you should just ignore them. Remember how you said that you felt bullied and harassed by Shelby, thinking she was following you around? I don't remember it that way, but no matter... that is not the point.

    The point is... please take a look at what YOU are doing. The very thing that you accused her of doing.

    Anyway, Cofty asked a question and it was answered. Why make a big drama out of this name... so that those who think she is the ONLY one who knows this name, can see that this is not true.

    Peace,

    Tammy

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    purveyors of woo

    I gotta tip my hat for creativity.

    Shelby, why is a name important at all? In the human world addressing a highest rank official by their first name is considered inappropriate behaviour. Is it just your human desire for a personal name for God that gives you your conviction or is it something else/more?

    -Sab

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