For those who think that Steven Unthank is taking too long to reach the media look at how long it took the Penn State Scandal to hit the news!

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  • life is to short
    life is to short

    Look at how long it to the abused victims of the Catholic Church to be heard in the media. Many victims started to speak out in the 1970's and no one would listen to them. So many victims had to fight for their lives just to be heard many of the victims died of suicide over it. I know of one such victim. He left a wife and three young children his youngest was only four years old at the time of his death.

    No one wants to believe this is truly happening especially in a trusted religion like the Catholics or JW's. I mean JW's come on, they are just sweet harmless little old ladies that go door to door trying to get you to buy their magazines they would never have pedophiles in their religion! NEVER!!! I have been told this to my face. The GB has really tried to make the JW's appear wholesome and sweet. Having pedophiles in their ranks goes totally against logic to most people and they do not even want to look at it. Just like so many people could not believe that a Catholic Priest would molest a child, after all a Priest was next to God even in the minds of many people who were not Catholic's.

    Now to get to the Penn State look at how long the investigation of Penn State took for it to finally hit the media. Parents were going to the police about Jerry Sandusky way back in the 1990's and nothing was being done.

    Even now Penn State is in the new and then you hear nothing for days. Like there has been nothing since Friday about it and there might not be for weeks then it will come up again hopefully. But there is plenty about the Kardashian's and Lindsay Lohan every day. It is just so extremely maddening. But whose fault is it. People want fluff they do not want to hear about a ten year old being raped by a 60 something man, nor do they want to know that the JW guy standing on their door step Saturday morning could have just molested the child that is standing next to him.

    No one wants to believe that children are being rapped. It is so much easier to turn a blind eye to it even in their own families. There is a elder in my hall who has a niece and this girls grandparents are also in the truth the grandfather is an elder also. A fellow elder started to fondle the little girl at the assemblies when she was just eight years old in the swimming pool. Yet the family the GRANDDPARENTS stood up for the pedophile in so many ways even blaming their granddaughter because she sat on the pedophiles lap when she was 16 years old saying she brought it on herself by doing that and they are ticked off at the granddaughter because she left the truth.

    It truly blows your mind. How do I know this elder fondled the child and the family seems to be in the dark about it because I went to the courthouse and read the court records so I would know the TRUTH! But did the family do that? Not to my knowledge. Now they shun their niece and granddaughter. The aunt of the child told me she always felt the girl would grow up to marry a fine upstanding brother and she just cannot understand why the girl who is now in her early 20's has turned her back on her faith. The parents of the child did stick witht their daughter after years of also truing a blind eye to it. Now the family is devided and the aunt told me she thinks her brother has sued the WT over it but she is not sure nor does she want to know. How can anyone be so blind? I honestly do not know.

    So what can all of us do, we can talk and talk and talk. Tell everyone we know. The guy who fixes our furnace, the women who checks us out at the grocery store if we get to know her, I have been in lines and someone will spot a tabloid on the Penn State scandal and say something about how horrible it is. That is a perfect time to bring it up. I have. I have said well you know it is in the Catholic Church right? They are like duh I then say did you know it is also in the Jehovah's Witnesses. I tell them what has happened to me and what I have been through because of it. People really want to know. I tell people I work with and for, everyone seems interested. Especially the Catholic's after all they have been drug through. I say for right now the best we can do is to tell about it, talk about it. After all if the voices of those who were being abuse by the Catholic Priests back in the 1970's had lost hope of ever being heard no one today would know of all the abuse that we do about the Priests and what they did to the children. It takes one voice to help other voices get strong.

    Just speak out as Albert Einstein said "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil but because of those who look on and do nothing."

    LITS

  • Found Sheep
    Found Sheep

    It seems to be the ONLY thing they are showing in the news here. It makes me sick!!!

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Awesome post LITS! The truth will set you free and many people need to be INFORMED the truth by people like us or they will never know it.

    No one wants to believe that children are being rapped. It is so much easier to turn a blind eye to it even in their own families. There is a elder in my hall who has a niece and this girls grandparents are also in the truth the grandfather is an elder also. A fellow elder started to fondle the little girl at the assemblies when she was just eight years old in the swimming pool. Yet the family the GRANDDPARENTS stood up for the pedophile in so many ways even blaming their granddaughter because she sat on the pedophiles lap when she was 16 years old saying she brought it on herself by doing that and they are ticked off at the granddaughter because she left the truth.

    ^ This is sickening. Check out this scripture:

    1 Kings 11 - 1 King Solomon, however, loved many foreign women besides Pharaoh’s daughter—Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Sidonians and Hittites. 2 They were from nations about which the LORD had told the Israelites, “You must not intermarry with them, because they will surely turn your hearts after their gods.” Nevertheless, Solomon held fast to them in love. 3 He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. 4 As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been. 5 He followed Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and Molek the detestable god of the Ammonites. 6 So Solomon did evil in the eyes of the LORD; he did not follow the LORD completely, as David his father had done.

    Notice the verse neglects to describe HOW his wives led him astray. It's evidence of ancient sexism. The writer in these verses seems to feel it's OK that his readers have to assume HOW his wives did it, through sexual manipulation? Cunning?

    Men are highly visually minded, yes, but the brain has a very astute risk vs reward system that overrides everything including the visual system. These people are arguing that it's the flame's fault for the moth flying into it.

    -Sab

  • life is to short
    life is to short

    Thanks sabastious.

    LITS

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    It is a valid point, lits. I am still skeptical that any great shaking of the WTBTS policy will come out of this (nothing ever has worked before) - but it is a fight worth fighting.

    I personally think Unthank is doing just about all any private citizen can on this.

    Maybe if the police can get a conviction in the actual molestation case it will give this some more momentum.

  • life is to short
  • flipper
    flipper

    LITS- Great thread. Very good points you make. Bump to the top. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • ScenicViewer
    ScenicViewer

    My hope is that something eventually comes of this. Some have said that to get it into the press too soon could backfire, and I agree. If it hit the press, then the Society somehow managed to crawl out from under all of it, it could easily be spun into 'those evil apostates are trying to smear God's clean people.'

    If there are convictions in the end, whether for the crime of refusing to complying witht the WWC Act, or for actual child molesting, then is the time for it to be publicized. It's hard to wait, but for it to have impact it's the best thing in my opinion.

    WTS policy may not change at all, even if there are convictions and publicity. But there may be a side benefit; people would be better informed about the Watchtower, both Witnesses and non-Witnesses. Anything that informs people about the true nature of the WTS is a good thing.

  • life is to short
    life is to short

    Thanks Flipper, Scenic Viewer, and James_Wood. I was talking to some friends last night about the pedophile problem in other religions and still after all these years they have to be on board and alert to pedophiles all the time still. Even after their church has been sued over and over and it has been made very public.

    Everyone has to stay alert to this problem and most people just do not want to brother with it. Everyone wants to live in a little happy bubble hearing the latest about Brittiy Spears, or the latest on the Kardashian's but to know that the family that is sitting in church with them could have their childern being molested by their cherished Priest or favorite pastor or in our case as Jehovah's Witnesses that wonderful elder is just too much for people to want to look at or hear about. It is so much easier to turn a blind eye to it or to say that the person calling attention to the pedophile is just casing problems or divisions in the hall. You cannot live in a happy bubble knowing that you have child molesters in you church or Kingdom Hall so poof you don't if you do not know about it. Then when someone will not shut up about it you get mad at the whistle blower not the pedophile. Crazy hay but that is truly what happens as I can attest to.

    And the pedophile does not even have to be an elder just the really, really, really kind brother who just loooooooves kids so much and is just a big kid at heart. Come on no one wants to look at the fact that brother so willing to do anything to help you, especially with your kids could also be molesting your child. You have to be making this all up you are told over and over.

    My friends last night were telling me horror stories about how abusers work in churches and I have seen it very clearly in my own congregation. The ex pedophile who really did not do the crime but just took the rap for his son so his son did not have to go to prison (how very wonderful of this brother.) But this brother just loves children and mentors the young boys in the hall who have no fathers. He just looooooves kids so much that he has sleep overs at his home with one elder even willing to let his grandson go. One of the boys he mentored had a sister who was mentally handicapped and this wonderful ex pedophile who really did not do the crime just loooooooooooooooooooooved to take care of the little girl alone in the back of the hall or to take her outside ALONE.

    The elders just thought that was the best thing in the world as the little girl would make loud noise during the meeting and it was so very distracting so hey why not let the resident pedophile who truly did not do the crime any way take care of her, that way none of the elders were bothered with having to hear her crying out during the meetings and the mom could listen and the pedophile just loved to help. It was a win, win for everyone until I came along and flipped out. But then I was the problem not the pedophile because I was bringing attention to the problem I was the one causing divisions in the hall not the fact that a man who had been in prison for eight years for raping a eight year old girl and was now taking care of a three year old alone, as he really did not do the crime only just took the rap. I was the one who was threanted with being DF'ed if I did not SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! After all this wonderful brother who did not really do the crime but just took the rap was really a wonderful brother who answered all the time at the meetings was always willing to fill in for the school when someone canceled a talk. The elders praised this guy to no end in front of the congregation. He truly was brother wonderful, I on the other hand was looked down on as scum.

    The problem is no one wants to know. Look at this thread it hardly got in comments but look at how many comments sex threads get or stupid threads about nothing subjects get.

    I hope I am not sounding mean as that is not my intention, but it take voices to stand up against this horrible crime and no one wants to stand up. Again it is just like what Albert Einstein said "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil but because of those who look on and do nothing."

    LITS

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Religion is in the business of security within the human mind. We live on a planet that would kill us while we slept, not to mention dangerous life, humans included. We know these facts of life and it makes us feel insecure and as it should, the world is a dangerous place. It's in our genetic code to find a cave to shield us from the elements. It's in our genetic code to yearn for a warm, safe place to call home. Religion attempts to fill that need and in some cases it is filled adequately. But just because we have found a cave for ourselves doesn't mean we can act like there is no reason to feel 100% secure within it. That's what seems like is happening within the walls of your Kingdom Hall, LITS. They seem to believe that their walls somehow give them a magical protection from the outside world. As you and I know all to well, they couldn't be further from the truth.

    -Sab

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