Bible Error: The Visit to the Tomb

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  • JosephAlward
    JosephAlward

    The following two accounts of the morning visit by the women to anoint Jesus’ body are contradictory. According to Mark, the women wondered how they would remove the stone covering the tomb, but they found that it had already been rolled away. Matthew, however, says that when the women went to the tomb, there was an earthquake, and an angel came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone back. One of these gospels writers is wrong, or both of them are. Either way, the Bible has a very serious error in it.

    When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?" But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. (Mark 16:1-4)

    After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. (Matthew 28:1-2)

    Joseph F. Alward
    "Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"

    * http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

  • GWEEDO
    GWEEDO

    Like your site Jo

  • KJV
    KJV

    Joe,

    There is no error that I see in these accounts. In both accounts the stone was rolled open, and one account says that it was done by an earthquake, and says that an angel of God was sitting on the stone. Where is the contradiction?

  • JosephAlward
    JosephAlward

    KJV,

    No, it wasn't done by an earthquake; the angel rolled back the stone.

    In one account the author tells us the stone had already been rolled away before the women arrived at the tomb, while in the second, the author describes what happens after the women arrive at the tomb: the angel rolled away the stone. The stone could not have been moved away before the visit, and after the visit.

    Joseph F. Alward
    "Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"

    * http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Oh no, it's different viewpoints;

    1/ The girls were having a good old natter (actually about that whore Rebecca, who does she think she is?) when they got to the tomb and found the stone rolled back. This is how Mark heard it.

    2/ If they had not been gossiping they would have noticed the earthquake (Matthew loved earthquakes, and given the technology would have been the Director of the first horror movie "Zombie Proclaimers of the Kingdom"), and the angel rolling the stone, and the angel sat on the stone. This is how Matthew re-wrote, er, was inspired, er, made-up, oh what ever, how he did his bit. Sort of like a remake "Just like Mark, but longer with geneology and earthquakes and zombies!"

    One can see why Paul was so down on women; they do not have the same minds as men. Fortunately Matthew, even though he wasn't there, managed to notice the things they missed from excessive flapping of the gums.

    Praise the Board!

    People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...

  • cellomould
    cellomould

    darn good point, Joseph!

    cellomould

    "In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

  • Larsguy
    Larsguy

    Hi Joseph,

    The Bible is NOT in error, but it is playing games with you. Remember, even Jesus said he gave information out in the form of parables so that outsiders would not understand. Thus consider my vew of things:

    The Jews used the name "Mary" as commonly as one would find among those int he Latin culture. Look how many Marys there were? It was a super common name.

    Mary Magdalene was a title, apparently referring to a house servant or housekeeper companion. This was part of their culture.

    What happened with the gospels was that there were actually three Mary Magdalenes or women named Mary who served as "maids" in the households of those persons associated with Jesus. But each of these Mary Magdalenes did come to the tomb at different times. So that there would not be conflict and confusion, all three accounts of when each Mary Magdalene appeared at the tomb had to be covered by one of the gospels. Thus each handles a different. Now the gospel writers would assume that once you saw how each account was different you'd understand there were three different Mary Magdalenes, plus they understaood the concept of a "Magdalene" and what that meant. But Bible "crictics" like yourself, without understanding the cultural background, nor the style of the gospels, would find an "error" in the accounts. Now I can appreciate your position, but if there were really three Mary Magdalenes, the ONLY THING MISSING is a statement to that effect in one of the gospels then all would be over. But the Jews don't like overstating the "obvious" so the statement is not there.

    So, therefore, consider how very, very different each reference is.

    The first Mary Magdalene must have been the houseservant of Peter and John since she is associated with them. She came to the tomb when it was still dark and alone. She saw Jesus and thought he was the gardner and then did obeisance to him. She was ALONE. Then she went to tell Peter and John.

    Then shortly after that, "late in the morning" just before dawn, another Mary Magdalene and companion to "the Other Mary" came to the tomb. Note that Mary Magdalene #1 did not come with spices. Also the second Mary Magdalene and "other Mary" did not have spices, which is something usually the family members took care care. They came just to watch the tomb. They arrived later and found Jesus gone. But on their way from the tomb they encountered him on the road and then did obesiance to him. This is an entirely separate account! They were then told to go tell the disciples, which they did.

    The third Mary Magdalene is specifically attached to Mary the mother of Jesus and Joanna and others who came after sunrise!!! It was day when they went to the tomb and they had spices since they were relatives of Jesus. Again note Mary Magdalene is attached to another group of people. The first one was attached to John and Peter. The second one in the company of the "other Mary" and now this one, coming after sunrise with Jesus' relatives. These women, though, were too afraid to report back anything about what they saw.

    So that's it. There is no conflict. The gospels each give a separate account so you can figure out exactly when each of the three Mary Magdalenes went to the tomb, and it must have been common knowledge among then which one was which.

    So, in this case, there is no conflict, only not understanding the entire situation and not trusting that these gospel writers couldn't get a few facts straight, which addresses the prejudice of some who want to jump to quick conclusions about the errors in scripture, when in fact, they simply don't understand fully how the gospels work.

    Mary is a very common name in those days, and there just happened to be three Mary Magdalenes working for three different families who were close to Jesus. That's it. The gospel writers are not morons as you'd have us to believe, but maybe some Biblical critics come close to that when they don't do their necessary research.

    Cheerio,
    L.G.

  • logical
    logical

    what do you expect from man, perfection? Have fun ripping the bible to pieces if it makes you happy, although its pointless cos any true believers already know it is inaccurate.

  • RWC
    RWC

    Joseph,

    Mark says that the women looked up and the stone was rolled away. Matthew doesn't say that the stone was rolled away in front of the women. It simply says how it was rolled away. You are reading into the scripture that the stone was rolled away in the presence of the women.

  • rem
    rem

    RWC,

    How would anyone know HOW the stone was rolled away unless there was someone to witness it?

    rem

    "We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain

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