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I continue to think that this device has survived too much examination to be completely fake. The remaining question is how efficient is it?
Make no mistake, if this is real, everything will change dramatically.
metatron
Cold Fusion Update
by metatron 36 Replies latest jw friends
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Knowsnothing
The only other problem would be, how long would said fuels (nickel and hydrogen, although I know hydrogen is very abundant) be available to us. And, there is the problem of having to extract hydrogen, which isn't exactly cheap nor efficient.
It is good that people are pushing new technologies, but ultimately I believe a change in the way society at large functions would be alot better, for the environment and in the long run.
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bohm
oh dear!
it is obvious by now the guy is a fraud.
Basically rossi claim X amount of energy is produced per time unit. He says this is true because he claim Y amount of steam is produced per time unit. Y amount of steam is simply not observed in the videos. It seem a rather trivial observation that something is wrong. We can then guess if something is wrong with: (a) the camera. (b) Rossis ability to tell the truth.
When deciding between the above two options one should keep in mind we are dealing with a person with a prior sentence for fraud.
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metatron
I'm on a blogsite with a large number of scientists and science writers who have been debating the Rossi device for months. I think their general conclusion is that , at worst, it is not a fraud but questions remain about self deception in measuring the input/output, so I'm familiar with your comments, although their 'shelf life' is limited.
I understand Rossi has mortgaged his home to help pay for development and that new tests are underway. There have far too many ad hominem attacks on fringe science like Rossi. In today's economy, it's nearly impossible to develop anything without some hype or exaggeration. I believe the human race may suffer greatly because academics keep using ad hominem attacks instead of sticking to the evidence. Examples? the healthy effects of low carb diets ("Atkins paid for those results") or Richard Feynman in dismissing the Papp device, which exploded and killed an onlooker and forced Caltech to settle out of court. Papp was a fraud otherwise but even a broken clock gets to be right twice a day.
While the final verdict is not in, I hold to these points: 1) this peculiar Nickel/H2 reaction has been observed by others long before Rossi got hold of it (like Piantelli) 2) too many skilled, experienced scientists and engineers have observed this thing for simple fraud to exist.
The debate over efficiency still goes on but I think one simple fact escapes widespread notice. Ever since Einstein came up with "E=Mc2", there has always been the possibility that somebody will find a physics loophole to exploit the nature of mass as a sort of condensed energy, without spewing radiation. If that happens, everything changes...
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bohm
metatron: " I understand Rossi has mortgaged his home to help pay for development and that new tests are underway ."
oh dear, the story of the strugling scientist. He could file a patent for how it works, he could make demonstrations where he actually measure the power-output in a way which is not obviously suspicious (which has been pointed out to him time again!). but no, he sell his house.
On second thoughts, let me be the cynic: If I was trying to make a big fraud, i would try not to have assets which could easily be confiscated when i (down the road) declare bancrupcy and run away.
Wasnt there supposed to happend something in october with this thing anyway?
"In today's economy, it's nearly impossible to develop anything without some hype or exaggeration"
hype and exaggeration are not the hallmarks of well-conducted science. Actually it is the hallmark of bad science, bad journalism and (yes!) frauds. That Rossi provide hype rather than evidence toward his device working is extremely telling.
I will put it in bold: This thing does not work. Rossi is a fraud.
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metatron
I suppose I could expect more ad hominem statements, once the addiction is firmly set in place.
Hype and exaggeration are hallmarks of funding science, especially these days when R&D money is hard to come by. Obtaining a patent can be a fool's errand because truthful disclosure of a tech secret therein leads to financial suicide. If you have enough money for lawyers, there are all kinds of ways around Patent law - and Rossi appears to have found a secret catalyst that the others missed in regards to the Ni/H2 reaction.
If anyone thinks that obtaining a patent leads to fame and fortune, I suggest you play the lottery instead. Skeptics (Don Lancaster?) point out that patent law fails for the little guy, in granting success.
In fact, I think Rossi is an optimistic fool! He may very well save the world while dying penniless. C'est le vie.
Since you ask about October, you make it clear that you have not kept up with the latest details - and haven't bothered with existing details (in depth) either. The problem is not - is there a real effect?, the problem is - how efficient is it? does it produce enough surplus heat to be useful?
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bohm
Metatron: " In fact, I think Rossi is an optimistic fool! He may very well save the world while dying penniless. C'est le vie. ... The problem is not - is there a real effect?, the problem i "
No you dont, otherwise you will take me up on this bet: 200$ says the device does not do what Rossi claim it does (energy-positive fusion on the scale he claim).
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bohm
metatron: Hype and exaggeration are hallmarks of funding science, especially these days when R&D money is hard to come by.
citation needed
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botchtowersociety
The device may not produce energy in excess based on processes that Rossi claims, but it may nonetheless do so in ways not yet described.
I wouldn't count it out just yet Bohm. I have a "wait and see" attitude about this.
Ridiculed crystal work wins Nobel
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/06/us-nobel-chemistry-idUSTRE7941EP20111006
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